Chou Si and Chan Si and Chan Shen

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Chou Si and Chan Si and Chan Shen

Postby Yeung on Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:09 am

Chou Si and Chan Si and Chan Shen

Chou Si 抽丝 pulling silk
Chan Si 缠丝 reeling silk or wrapping silk
Chan Shen缠身 wrap around the body

The term Chan Shen means wrap around or wind around the body which is well-known in Baguaquan. In practice pulling silk is reeling in one direction while wrapping and winding is multi-directional. The only person had access to Baguaquan in Chenjiagou is Chen Yanxi as he was teaching in Ma Bo Cun (horse slop village) together with Fu Zhensong’s Baguaquan teacher Jia Qishan (Jia Fengming). He exchange Taiji pushing hands for Bagua Chan Shen techniques as no other styles of Baguaquan has Bagua pushing hands. I cannot find any specific clip on Bagua Chan Shen but this one from Bajiquan can illustrate similar idea, and the Bajiquan members of this forum can provide more detail:


bajiquan 八極拳 -- 蟒蛇纏身. Python wrapping around the body

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkdPqvUkng0
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Re: Chou Si and Chan Si and Chan Shen

Postby willie on Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:27 pm

Very interesting post.
Those application's are very similar to some of ours. My teacher always says that bagua and Chen are sister arts.
At .24 in that video. Is a simple application of single whip, But without fajin.
Nice clips.
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Re: Chou Si and Chan Si and Chan Shen

Postby Yeung on Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:23 am

Good to know that your teacher sees the connection. Here is a video of Fu Zhensong's student and grand student doing pushing hand sets back in the 80s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgFwyTsyhA
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Re: Chou Si and Chan Si and Chan Shen

Postby willie on Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:31 am

It's the coil, Meshing of helical gears, The mechanical advantages of a spiraling incline plain and what the feedback does to the mind.
Operating in true 3D and not multi 2D plains.
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Re: Chou Si and Chan Si and Chan Shen

Postby Yeung on Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:09 am

With the understand of Chan Shen the following video makes good sense in applying Taijiquan and Baguaquan principles to the traditional martial arts of Chenjiagou:

Published on Feb 19, 2014
Chenfake late disciple 女豫侠 Nu Yuxia in the late 70s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXSKU8kXUkM
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