Re: The "Fake" stuff...
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:11 am
windwalker wrote:RobP3 wrote:
Yep, been there, done that I also visited many others, in fact I spent the last half and the 90s and beyond visiting many different schools and teachers, some of whom you have put clips up of here. I can say, hand on heart, that the "empty force" as explained and demonstrated by those teachers failed 100% of the time on myself or friends/students who were with me. Back in the day it even failed with my own teacher, prior to me leaving him, when he started getting into all this stuff, all explained as "chi energy". There was some interesting stuff from Vincent Chu, which he always stressed was purely on a meditation level. He explained to me that what you see in clips are things that only work between teacher and student, they do not go beyond that.
The only no contact work I have experienced "for real" is that demonstrated by those who explain it in purely psychological terms, ranging from basic "flinch reaction" to more subtle manipulation of intention and awareness. Or, on a more physical level, the control of tension / fear in another person.
So yep, BTDT.
Which is all good, I too have visited teachers and have come to different conclusions about what, how and why it works
I've spent the last 10 or so yrs looking into this and have come up with my own thoughts reasonings about it. ....as I've always said whether touched or not the process by which it works is the same. No need to go into that here.
So in essence the ones you agree with that did work considered as valid is what you agree with.
No. You are putting the cart before the horse. I went into each encounter with an open mind. The ones that did work gave an explanation as to how and why it worked, along the lines of what I wrote above. Furthermore they show you how to do it.
The ones that didn't work gave an explanation prior to trying as to what it was they were doing, usually along the lines of "I am going to project my energy to..."
When it failed to work, they gave an excuse as to why it didn't work. These ranged from "bad energy spots in the room" to "you don't have enough chi" and many others.
I encountered this work initially with my first teacher. It began as something interesting but soon became apparent that his "successes" were the result of careful selection of target and subtle, or not so subtle, conditioning / grooming of the student. So he would, for example, ask a couple of the "special students" to punch him in the stomach. They tried, stopped six inches short of contact, spasmed and fell to the ground. He asked me, I punched him in the stomach. An honest punch, I did exactly what he asked. At the time I was senior to those other guys but guess who got used for all the public demos