XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

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XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:37 pm

Have you done XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times non-stop? Please share your experience here.

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Trick on Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:09 pm

quality before quantity ?
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:39 pm

I have done the XingYi Beng Chuan non-stop for 1 miles on the beach. IMO, the XingYi Beng Chuan takes less energy than the XingYi Pi Chuan takes.

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Franklin on Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:43 pm

one day we did each of the 5 elements for 1 hour straight each
so about 5 hours of training

did not count the reps though ...


training one thing over and over again in my experience
is a good way to get rid of the excess tension in your body while doing the move
you reach a point where you are so tired that you can not hold that tension
and you relax and find a more economical way to preform
in other words you can not hold that tension anymore due to fatigue- so you have to let it go to continue...

also once you relax and are moving with connection
the repetition makes you aware of deeper connections that you are using to make the movement (power the movement)
just doing a couple reps you will never be able to feel it unless someone points it out and gives you exercises to train that connection
but just repeating over and over again you can find this for yourself

I did that one time because I did not understand one of the xing yi animals- and how it was utilizing the body
so I just repeated the movement over and over in my apartment until i could feel what it was doing
(a deep transverse connection between the arm and the torso)

i don't think this type of thing is what most people are looking for..
lol



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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:51 pm

Franklin wrote:training one thing over and over again in my experience is a good way to get rid of the excess tension in your body while doing the move

Agree! This is why I like to wrestle for 15 rounds. In the last 5 rounds, I don't have any "brute force" left on my body.

Franklin wrote:i don't think this type of thing is what most people are looking for..

What make you to say this?
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:55 pm

Trick wrote:quality before quantity ?

You

- can measure quantity.
- can't measure quality.

You

- can date 100 girls.
- can't say that you have dated the most beautify girl on earth.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Trick on Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:03 am

Franklin wrote:one day we did each of the 5 elements for 1 hour straight each
so about 5 hours of training

did not count the reps though ...


training one thing over and over again in my experience
is a good way to get rid of the excess tension in your body while doing the move
you reach a point where you are so tired that you can not hold that tension
and you relax and find a more economical way to preform
in other words you can not hold that tension anymore due to fatigue- so you have to let it go to continue...

also once you relax and are moving with connection
the repetition makes you aware of deeper connections that you are using to make the movement (power the movement)
just doing a couple reps you will never be able to feel it unless someone points it out and gives you exercises to train that connection
but just repeating over and over again you can find this for yourself

I did that one time because I did not understand one of the xing yi animals- and how it was utilizing the body
so I just repeated the movement over and over in my apartment until i could feel what it was doing
(a deep transverse connection between the arm and the torso)

i don't think this type of thing is what most people are looking for..
lol



Franklin

Yes repeating over and over is the way to go when on the beginning of the learning curve, the experienced practitioner (should) have the correct relaxation and coordination from step one and focus more on sparring exercises get the relaxed and coordination state deeper
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Trick on Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:23 am

johnwang wrote:Agree! This is why I like to wrestle for 15 rounds. In the last 5 rounds, I don't have any "brute force" left on my body.

Back when I practiced Karate classes where almost one hour of "warm up" with loads of running push-ups sit-ups and such then some 20 minutes of Kihon(basics(compare with XYQ 5 element) in a fierce pace, after that one was quite exhausted but it was followed with 2 minutes rounds of free sparring each round with a different opponentfor another some 20 minutes. Yes one had to find that relaxed state to go throu it
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Trick on Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:30 am

johnwang wrote:
Trick wrote:quality before quantity ?

You

- can measure quantity.
- can't measure quality.

You

- can date 100 girls.
- can't say that you have dated the most beautify girl on earth.

Hehe, yes for a young man it might be important to tell how many (beautiful) girls he have "dated", hopefully it was quality every time 8-)
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:58 am

One thing my teacher told me
When you feel to tired to train that is when you get the most benifit
I don't know if I have done a thousand in a row but that matters little
It is what you do day to day
Not occasional bursts of energy
Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Franklin on Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:25 am

johnwang wrote:
Franklin wrote:i don't think this type of thing is what most people are looking for..

What make you to say this?


personal experience teaching people over the years...

a lot of people have allergy to hard work..

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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Trick on Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:09 am

johnwang wrote:I have done the XingYi Beng Chuan non-stop for 1 miles on the beach.

If one just do the three firs Bengquan of the element linking form(if those are in ones linking form) after the third Beng step up with a left Beng and so on, doing the threes in a mirroring way. Then one Bengquan as much as one want basically on the spot but still doing the advancing Beng with additionally retreating and staying put beng....But of course taking a "walk" along the beach in the summer is always nice( I even do that during wintertime) 8-)
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby Fa Xing on Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:53 am

Not sure if I have done it that much, but I have done Pi Quan and the Single Palm change for 30 minutes straight before. I wish I could have the time for that type of training now though, because of work and family obligations, I have to be smarter about my training.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:14 pm

wayne hansen wrote:When you feel to tired to train that is when you get the most benifit ...

Some study said that when you walk 8 miles, in the 1st 4 miles, your body starts to detect your problem. In the 2nd 4 miles, your body start to fix your problem. I strongly believe in that.
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Re: XingYi Pi Chuan 1000 times

Postby johnwang on Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:53 pm

When I walked on the beach, I tried to repeat the following drills for 1 mile:

1. SC foot sweep,
2. Long fist hay-maker,
3. Taiji brush knee,
4. XingYi Pi Chuan,
5. XingYi Beng chuan,

For the difficulty, I find 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5

I have read the following:

When you train the XingYi Pi Chuan, your arm will go out and then pull back. It's like 1 exhale and 1 inhale. After you have drilled this for 500 meters (assume 1 punch takes 1/2 meter, 500 meters takes about 1000 punches), you breathing will be long, smooth, and deep. Your energy will be built up. You then start to understand the "body breathing". If you have any physical problem, this training can cure that problem. When you get old, your body will be weaker. This training can make your body strong.

I believe to use punch out and pull back as breath out and breath in to coordinate body move with breathing is the main training here.
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