MaartenSFS wrote:
When asked about relaxation, my Master laughed. According to him it was a fake relaxation - one without the power that you need when the shit hits the fan and your opponent is trying to take your head off. The cure was to train all kinds of difficult Gongfa like pole-shaking, to build up strength. "Heresy!", you say? "That's external!"
MaartenSFS wrote:"fake relaxation"...
wayne hansen wrote:Funny how those who don't practice tai chi or even if they do think other arts are superior
Know more about tai chi than those that do
martensfs wrote:Now hippies sing songs of softness and never test their art.
Last year a foreigner that had been studying Taijiquan for a number of years came to visit my Master for about ten days.
... He had been lead astray - down a path of softness and relaxation that never delivered the fighting results that he wanted.
MaartenSFS wrote:
When asked about relaxation, my Master laughed. According to him it was a fake relaxation - one without the power that you need when the shit hits the fan and your opponent is trying to take your head off. The cure was to train all kinds of difficult Gongfa like pole-shaking, to build up strength. "Heresy!", you say? "That's external!" Well, after you have done this training and your body changes (and I'm not talking muscles here), you will have developed a type of whole-body power. Your movements will become seemingly smaller, less excessive. A little Fajin here or there can send people flying. Now suddenly it's "internal". The truth is that the size of the movements hasn't changed, it's just that the movement has been spread around your whole body, giving the illusion that you barely moved.
That type of training is the Yang part of the art that few masters teach, let alone have. It wasn't taught to everyone. It's one of the key ingredients to making an art work.
wayne hansen wrote:Funny how those who don't practice tai chi or even if they do think other arts are superior
Know more about tai chi than those that do
Bao wrote:wayne hansen wrote:Funny how those who don't practice tai chi or even if they do think other arts are superior
Know more about tai chi than those that do
Yup.
It's easy to say that something doesn't work when you are not willing to walk the road.martensfs wrote:Now hippies sing songs of softness and never test their art.
You mix up things. Not testing an art doesn't mean it doesn't work. You need to test it first. A lot. You need to fight a lot using T'ai chi to make T'ai chi work. Replacing T'ai chi with something else instead of trying to make it work doesn't mean that the other thing is better than what you didn't have patience to make work.Last year a foreigner that had been studying Taijiquan for a number of years came to visit my Master for about ten days.
... He had been lead astray - down a path of softness and relaxation that never delivered the fighting results that he wanted.
For how long had that person practiced T'ai chi? What style and for whom? How much had he tried to use it in fighting? How tried he to used it? In real fighting? sparring?
...You need to put some more meat to your arguments...
RobP3 wrote:MaartenSFS wrote:
When asked about relaxation, my Master laughed. According to him it was a fake relaxation - one without the power that you need when the shit hits the fan and your opponent is trying to take your head off. The cure was to train all kinds of difficult Gongfa like pole-shaking, to build up strength. "Heresy!", you say? "That's external!" Well, after you have done this training and your body changes (and I'm not talking muscles here), you will have developed a type of whole-body power. Your movements will become seemingly smaller, less excessive. A little Fajin here or there can send people flying. Now suddenly it's "internal". The truth is that the size of the movements hasn't changed, it's just that the movement has been spread around your whole body, giving the illusion that you barely moved.
That type of training is the Yang part of the art that few masters teach, let alone have. It wasn't taught to everyone. It's one of the key ingredients to making an art work.
You're a bit behind the times. I put a video out on pole shaking around 20 years ago, it was an open part of a few schools I trained at in the 80s/90s. Tai Chi has always attracted the "guru" types and those who want to learn from them, from the 60s onwards.
Trick wrote:I would think that your friend from Harbin has not been practicing very sincerely. The "strong" relaxedness you will eventually get comes from, how can I describe it? a regular day to day practice of relaxed subconscious dynamic-tension practice for your musclefibers that also put your body structure in a desirable alignment.....this you can get just from the Form practice...Yes from Form practice, it actually build strength, it's kind of an mind and bodybuilding tool....but it takes time a lot of time and devotion for most to get(at least it did for me) it right......Now here are many Fighters on this board that will probably say one can only develop the strength and proper relaxedness from fighting and fighting again...sure throu sparring/fighting one will get to another level......Now it's many many years ago I did any kind of (free)sparring and weight training, but still keep good relaxed strength just trou Forms practice....It's almost unbelievable
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