No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

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No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby klonk on Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:38 am

The question is bothering me. Short sticks such as the kubotan, pasak, etc. seem to have no cognate in old Chinese weaponry, even though the traditional Chinese weapons seem to include all else imaginable.

'Course it could merely be a case in which I missed something... ;D

Is a palm stick is indeed an old Chinese weapon? And if not, why not?
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby Bill on Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:44 am

I think that most TCMA weapons come from military war weapons like spears, swords and other edged weapons. No place for a kubaton there. A knife is just as concealable and more deadly.
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby johnwang on Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:02 am

This is a TCMA weapon.

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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby Bill on Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:09 am

I imagine that that can be thrown as a dart as well! Very nice.
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby Trick on Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:15 am

Something as in JW pic but with pointy points on both ends seem to be the TCMA weapon favored by one of my Taiji teachers GungFu brothers, he always has a pair in his small bag he carries. In practice they come in pair.
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:57 pm

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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby klonk on Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:13 pm

So while the kubotan is an impact or pressure weapon, small Chinese palm weapons punch holes. Is that a fair distinction?
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby edededed on Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:24 pm

Various similar weapons abound, with varying lengths and shape. Some have no ring, some have a pivot between the ring and piercer to allow rotation. Some are sharp, most seem not to be (more for striking pressure points). All seem to come in pairs, though. Usage of the short ones I imagine may not be that different from the kubotan.

Also somewhat similar is the "iron chopsticks" of some styles (e.g. Dai style xinyi) - longer and thinner, and again in pairs.
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby .Q. on Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:41 pm

johnwang wrote:This is a TCMA weapon.

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Damn, is it designed to hook after sticking in? That's crazy mean.
My teacher mentioned using sturdy chopsticks for some nasty applications, so I'm sure there's a kubotan equivalent used by someone somewhere in TCMA. Iron fans could be used the same.
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby Trick on Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:00 pm

.Q. wrote:
johnwang wrote:This is a TCMA weapon.

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Damn, is it designed to hook after sticking in? That's crazy mean.

Yes a lot of TCMA weapon seem to come straight out of the Devils toolbox. The one in the pic seem " homemade", maybe the posters own design
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Feb 25, 2018 11:02 pm

I was taught to use the long Chinese smoking pipe
Even though it is twice the length of these the use is similar
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby Trick on Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:31 am

wayne hansen wrote:I was taught to use the long Chinese smoking pipe
Even though it is twice the length of these the use is similar

At the home of one of the old GungFu grand masters in Dalian there is TCMA's weaponry laying around everywhere, remember said while showing me that kind of long smoking pipe( all made of copper) and a long- haired fly whisker(where a sharp point was hidden within all that hair) that Chinese GungFu is very much about hiding ones GungFu. When he's out he always walk with a sturdy walking stick although he don't need it
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby oragami_itto on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:05 am

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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby Ron Panunto on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:21 am

Chen taiji has double maces, which are short iron rods.
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Re: No palm stick/kubotan in TCMA?

Postby klonk on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:22 am

Another thing I do not recall seeing in CMA (but, once again, I could have missed what was there) is a short stick used to add the power of persuasion to a wrist hold. It is an important aspect of kubotan and very effective in the right situation.
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