MaartenSFS wrote:
David, what is the length of the second Dao from the top in the second picture? I like the look of it. I think that 3.5 pounds is too heavy for my purposes, because that would be an exclusively two-handed weapon and I like a more hand-and-a-half approach. As such, the blade would probably have to be narrower. I had a chance to train with a real Miaodao the other day and it handled wonderfully, but with the same problem, mostly due to the length.
All his weapons are real, I would it expect to be about the same size and weight as what you handled. You might find this interesting its called a sword coffin, according to my friend they would send the swords back from the fallen warriors in this
Your quote is interesting in that the Jian is to be used from a distance and the Dao up close, but in our video examples they use their Jian up super close and we use our Dao from a distance but then close in with footwork (which I don't think contradicts the quote). Perhaps that is because a slash is a wide arc and you shouldn't stand too close, but if they miss you with a Jian thrust you are fine and because the Jian is also a much lighter weapon with the balance point more towards the back many subtle movements are possible using mostly the wrist, including parring another Jian. With the Dao you want to go in and slash (or thrust) and retreat when you are recovering from a miss or continue the attack from another angle. Since the blade is heavier the waist is used to generate power, hence the additional footwork (they go together well). I think that the Jian would have trouble against the Dao unless the practitioner was much more skilled.
Unfortunately I can't open the Youtube link. It just takes me to the home page.Its ok, I've a feeling you might have seen it before
some guy named Maarten posted about his work in China
Pandrews1982 wrote:Also doing a little digging on San Cai Jian and in a few other discussions it seems that the set is common in some Northern Chinese arts. The tai ji sword form of Sun Lu Tang apparently is very similar to the San Cai Jian set and it is found in some Long Fist schools too. Many of the discussions credit Li Jin Lin with the creation of the form. This would date it to the early 1900s maybe around 1920-30 if true (Li Jin Lin died in 1932 in his early 40s).
As Steve mentioned above Li Jin Lin was an instructor at the Central Goushu Institute and contemporary of Sun Lu Tang and Yang Chen Fu. He developed the Wudang Sword system by adding to it from other arts he was exposed to (likely Xing Yi Tai Chi and Baguazhang among others). His nickname was the first sword of China. One of the head instructors in the association I am affiliated to was taught Wudang Sword from Li jin Lin lineage but it's not something I've personally been exposed to other than reading the translations of the book Fundamental Methods of Wudang Sword (Scott Rodell and Brennan).
Trick wrote:Pandrews1982 wrote:Also doing a little digging on San Cai Jian and in a few other discussions it seems that the set is common in some Northern Chinese arts. The tai ji sword form of Sun Lu Tang apparently is very similar to the San Cai Jian set and it is found in some Long Fist schools too. Many of the discussions credit Li Jin Lin with the creation of the form. This would date it to the early 1900s maybe around 1920-30 if true (Li Jin Lin died in 1932 in his early 40s).
As Steve mentioned above Li Jin Lin was an instructor at the Central Goushu Institute and contemporary of Sun Lu Tang and Yang Chen Fu. He developed the Wudang Sword system by adding to it from other arts he was exposed to (likely Xing Yi Tai Chi and Baguazhang among others). His nickname was the first sword of China. One of the head instructors in the association I am affiliated to was taught Wudang Sword from Li jin Lin lineage but it's not something I've personally been exposed to other than reading the translations of the book Fundamental Methods of Wudang Sword (Scott Rodell and Brennan).
One of my Taiji teachers in Dalian(liaoning province) learned the Wudang sword from another linage than Li Jin Lin supposed to be the "pure" teaching from Sung Wei I the teacher of Li....I never studied the sword from my teacher except that he liked to do the kind of free play sparring as you can see in some Zheng Manqing video clips, but as I understand from other sources that kind of sparring actually came from Sun Lutang, so I don't know what to make of it
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