MaartenSFS wrote:Shanzhaidao is a sword art for use against unarmoured opponents.
MaartenSFS wrote:I doubt that we will ever see armoured combat again on this planet, but a Dao is heavy enough to deliver a lot of blunt force trauma against an armoured opponent, especially if one has done the strength training that the weapon requires.
wetmarble wrote:Frankly, if you want a weapon for actual self defense, sword is a very poor choice. Training to use guns would be a very practical choice as they are relatively easy to use and learn and very effective. Training to use sticks is a good choice, especially if you want a less lethal option. They are widely available and the techniques are applicable to most improvised weapons. Training to use a knife is practical as they are easy to conceal, readily available and can reasonably be said to have legitimate uses other than injuring people. Training sword simply has no practicality in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong though, training to use a sword is quite fun and I enjoy it on the limited occasions that I get to do so.
taiwandeutscher wrote:The Sancaijian was developed in the early 20th century, at the Nanjing Guoshuguan!
windwalker wrote:Many people carry small baseball bats :-\
windwalker wrote:A lot of what MaartenSFS clips show, look directly applicable to whats going on in the clip
MaartenSFS wrote:Did you not read the thread? I have talked about 90% of the art being applicable to stick fighting more times than I can shake a stick at!
wetmarble wrote:windwalker wrote:Many people carry small baseball bats
They do, but does training to use a sword help you to defend yourself from someone using a bat? Or are you suggesting that we should carry swords in case we run into people with bats?
While certainly there are many sword techniques that can be applied to using a bat, I think it would be hard to argue that training the sword is the best way to use the bat, especially the dao. The dao is curved, a bat is not. The dao is pointy, a bat is not. A dao is edged, a bat is not. Many dao techniques are simply not applicable to a bat. If you want to use a bat, train with a bat.windwalker wrote:A lot of what MaartenSFS clips show, look directly applicable to whats going on in the clip
I don't really agree. This clipped is armed attacker vs unarmed defender. All of Maarten's clips are armed vs armed. Here, the unarmed defender has two options, run or close distance with the attacker to try to grapple. I don't see any real closing of distance to grapple in Maarten's clips.MaartenSFS wrote:Did you not read the thread? I have talked about 90% of the art being applicable to stick fighting more times than I can shake a stick at!
I have read the whole thread. One of the differences that you talked about your with regards to your Master's sword style is that you use explosive movements and thrusting techniques. When I watched the video that you posted, very few of the techniques looked like the way one would use a stick (to me). I saw pierces, wrist cuts, attacks to the legs which only seemed to be a threat in the context of a sword. There is a complete neglect (rightfully so) of using both ends of the weapon, because it would be ludicrous with a sword, but it can be quite useful with a stick.
Like I said, if you want to use a stick, train with a stick using stick techniques.
wetmarble wrote:windwalker wrote:Many people carry small baseball bats
They do, but does training to use a sword help you to defend yourself from someone using a bat? Or are you suggesting that we should carry swords in case we run into people with bats? Ya know you may find it hard to believe but in SF I have seen a couple of people walking around with swords in my time. It seems most people have guns,,,, a famous Chinese enforcer was shot many, many yrs back by a 14 yr old with a gun. He answered the door.
I like maarten's work and have watched him grow and change for awhile. I find it to be honest, sincere, operating within the context he finds himself in. I would expect as this changes he too will change and adapt. What he trains he attempts to use real time under conditions that he feels best test assumptions made, reminds me much of my self at a younger age
My last taiji teacher did not teach any weapon work at all, feeling that what ever one picked up one should be able to use. He having learned and studied the 18 traditional weapons before learning taiji in his previous style bagua. His work at the time I met him was based on a different idea. In answer to your question in my younger days we trained our arms to be much like clubs or baseball bats, cutting arm and iron arm come to mind.
A lot of long arm styles are like this. The thinking is different. So yes, I could see were maarten's work would or could directly translate to understanding on how to deal with someone with a bat or what ever. Others may find different.
While certainly there are many sword techniques that can be applied to using a bat, I think it would be hard to argue that training the sword is the best way to use the bat, especially the dao. The dao is curved, a bat is not. The dao is pointy, a bat is not. A dao is edged, a bat is not. Many dao techniques are simply not applicable to a bat. If you want to use a bat, train with a bat.totally agree, there are other weapons within the Chinese MA that might be better examples to compare with but having trained with a dao if I happened to pick up a baseball bat the method "for me" would not change much only instead of cutting it would be hitting.windwalker wrote:A lot of what MaartenSFS clips show, look directly applicable to whats going on in the clip
I don't really agree. This clipped is armed attacker vs unarmed defender. All of Maarten's clips are armed vs armed. Here, the unarmed defender has two options, run or close distance with the attacker to try to grapple. I don't see any real closing of distance to grapple in Maarten's clips.
Yes, but the timing distancing, range and movement are the same, options used depend on what one has or not. As I mentioned with long arm the thinking is different maybe this is where we differ in how we look at something. I mentioned baseball bats because it seems to be a common thing that many carry in their car.MaartenSFS wrote:Did you not read the thread? I have talked about 90% of the art being applicable to stick fighting more times than I can shake a stick at!
I have read the whole thread. One of the differences that you talked about your with regards to your Master's sword style is that you use explosive movements and thrusting techniques. When I watched the video that you posted, very few of the techniques looked like the way one would use a stick (to me). I saw pierces, wrist cuts, attacks to the legs which only seemed to be a threat in the context of a sword. There is a complete neglect (rightfully so) of using both ends of the weapon, because it would be ludicrous with a sword, but it can be quite useful with a stick.
Like I said, if you want to use a stick, train with a stick using stick techniques.
MaartenSFS wrote:Great quotes. Surely they can't refute the great teachings of Musashi??
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