Double Weightedness — Jeanmougin, Ralston, Docherty

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Re: Double Weightedness — Jeanmougin, Ralston, Docherty

Postby johnwang on Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:46 am

marvin8 wrote:Ideally, one attacks every time the opponent is double weighted; as the opponent is unable to counter.

The more aggressive attitude is you try to make your opponent double weighted so you can attack him. In order to do so, you can

- push (or twist) his upper body to his left.
- sweep (or scoop) his left leg.

Your opponent can't change at that particular moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOXfOVF ... e=youtu.be
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I'm still allergy to "push".
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Re: Double Weightedness — Jeanmougin, Ralston, Docherty

Postby marvin8 on Tue Jun 19, 2018 10:55 am

johnwang wrote:
marvin8 wrote:Ideally, one attacks every time the opponent is double weighted; as the opponent is unable to counter.

The more aggressive attitude is you try to make your opponent double weighted so you can attack him. In order to do so, you can

- push (or twist) his upper body to his left.
- sweep (or scoop) his left leg.

Your opponent can't change at that particular moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOXfOVF ... e=youtu.be

Yes, that is what I said here:
marvin8 wrote:"Non-internal" tactical fighting skill includes capitalizing on or creating the opponent's double heaviness.
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Re: Double Weightedness — Jeanmougin, Ralston, Docherty

Postby johnwang on Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:00 pm

marvin8 wrote:"Non-internal" tactical fighting skill includes capitalizing on or creating the opponent's double heaviness.

You can

1. wait for something to happen.
2. make something to happen.

IMO, 2 > 1.

This is why I'm very dislike the over conservative Taiji attitude. Wait, wait, and still wait... If I always wait for a girl to date me, I will never be able to meet any girls in my life.
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Re: Double Weightedness — Jeanmougin, Ralston, Docherty

Postby oragami_itto on Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:43 pm

Wand Tsung-yueh wrote:Respond to speed with speed and slowness with slowness.

At present most of my fellow T'ai-chi practitioners
understand the art of yielding but do not understand the
method of quick response . I am afraid they would fare
badly against external stylists . "Speed " means
quickness; "slowness" means to be deliberate . If the
opponent approaches slowly, I respond with yielding
and following . This principle is very clear. If the
opponent comes at me with great speed, how can I use
yielding? In this case, I must respond by using the
method of T'ai-ch i "intercept energy " and the principle
of "not late and not early." It is just like concealing
troops in ambush to intercept the enemy. What do we
mean by "not late and not early?" When the opponent
has already launched his attack, but has not yet landed , I
intercept his arm with my hand before it becomes
straight. This will immediately deflect the attack. This is
how to repulse a frontal attack. Without receiving the
true transmission, ''responding to speed with speed'' is
impossible.
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Re: Double Weightedness — Jeanmougin, Ralston, Docherty

Postby LaoDan on Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:08 pm

Giles wrote:Part of tai chi training is about getting your body (and mind) into a state where it will respond like the scales, but in all dimensions. Only then will the body start to match and neutralise (and return) force in a smooth and natural manner.

Three dimensional is like a ball, with the pivot at the ball’s center:
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Re: Double Weightedness — Jeanmougin, Ralston, Docherty

Postby Giles on Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:24 pm

LaoDan wrote:
Giles wrote:Part of tai chi training is about getting your body (and mind) into a state where it will respond like the scales, but in all dimensions. Only then will the body start to match and neutralise (and return) force in a smooth and natural manner.

Three dimensional is like a ball, with the pivot at the ball’s center:


Indeed. Like a ball (but with legs ;) ). Like a pair of scales (but three dimensional, and a bit more squishy). The human body isn't a ball, isn't a pair of scales, isn't a wheel, isn't a flag on a flagstaff, isn't a tree in the wind, but they can all be useful kinaesthetic metaphors to point us towards a good state of body being/acting which is, well, what it is...
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