LaoDan wrote:
but for now what I have experienced is insufficient to interest me in studying kongjin. So what I felt/experienced, in person, is not what you expected me to experience from one of the proponents that you seem to think has skill in the approach that you advocate. He has probably gotten better in the past 6 years, but his skill at the time did not impress me.
I don't expect anything of anyone, thats in your mind not mine....what you experienced and how is up to you not me..
I have to say that Gorge Xu, who also met Zhao around that time in SF felt he was one of the best people he had ever encountered...I guess his experience was different. Zhao is a good friend taiji bother of mine, even so we are somewhat different in our approach...yes hes evolved his thinking since that time.
I said whether touched or not the process by which it works is the same. I started to try to share some points on it, you question one the basic premises "qi" by which the concept functions with....its pointless....
Kong jin, one part of a process that some people develop over time due the the practices they follow.
Not all practices talk about this, kinda depends on skill, level of practice, for some its just an ordinary part of the practice nothing special
not all can get it, nor will...
Zhao,,,my friend is an example of someone as I am of those who followed the practices of our teacher who has a skill set, his skill set, although as noted not everyone can get it, or will express it in the same way to the same degree....
Some my students are also highly educated, in physics PHD level, others work in high tech fields all with engineering degrees in various disciplines.
Some like your self seem to be stuck within those disciplines. The things I mentioned regarding physics is my attempt at aligning what I feel is happening
with physics so that it can be compared and checked. The physicist I interact with dont seem to have a problem with some of the theories used applied to it.
Some of the old masters like master Gao, also use physics as do other masters in trying to explain their work...
If one studies something like taiji,,,,and the subject of what jin is, how its expressed, one is already studying some of the basic principles by which it works.
many reasons for why some may not understand
The Yang family particularly Yang Chienhou kept their treasure close to the chest. When Yang Chienhou was
teaching in the 4th Prince's dwelling it was said that any discussion of the art with his son, Yang Shaohou
was carried out when there were no outsiders around and they talked in a hushed manner, never writing
anything in ink, but using water to write out the strokes of the Chinese characters so that no record remained
after the water dried out.
Due to the 4th Prince's generosity and sincerity Yang Chienhou imparted certain information and skills to
him. However, the Yang family didn't exactly become wealthy from teaching Tai Chi Chuan to the Prince. On
the contrary, they were still far from financially well off.
Wang Chonglu, the father of Wang Yongquan, was the chief steward in the Prince's dwelling and took an
interest in the Yang's art.
https://spark.adobe.com/page/WbRbg/a good site that speaks to much of what I've mentioned here.
Interesting to note that Master Wei was a chen style master who felt he had attained a high level of skill in
it. His friend wanted him to met someone whos skill was quite different.
The friend persisted. Some two years later a reluctant Master Wei stood before Master Wang who was sitting
down in a rattan chair. Master Wei was skeptical and it must have shown on his face. Master Wang waved
Master Wei over. Leaning back in his chair Master Wang asked Wei to extend his middle fingers. Master Wang
grasped both of Wei's middle fingers by the tips, showed Wei that it would not be easy if not impossible
to fajing him in this manner.
In the next instance Master Wei was thrown back, an expression of surprise on his face. He had not expected
this and in his heart knew that for all his Chen style attainment he just did not have anything close to what
Master Wang just demonstrated on him. So on the wrong side of fifty Master Wei set aside all that he had
learned before and began to learn afresh from Master Wang.