You claim you are close to the truth why would u want to hear from a fool like me
I will say it once more I don’t write for you but for those looking for a real path
origami_itto wrote:Bao wrote:origami_itto wrote:The dao is for actually fighting, the jian is about training the yi and extending the qi.
So the jian is not for actual use? Wow, that's probably the most bizarre thing I've ever read on this board.
Weapons are only relevant within a particular framework and context. The context where Taiji jian is relevant is very limited.
Fantasy fencing duels and larping, let's be honest.
Throughout history, single blade swords have reigned supreme. The curved shape is the most efficient for melee cutting, you can see that carrying over even into early firearms conflict.
In Rwanda, as in most other contemporary grassroots genocides, they grab machetes.
By Yang Cheng fus time, hell long before that, again, let's be honest, the jian was primarily a ceremonial implement, studied by scholars, not warriors. The story of the wudang jian form is about applying oneself to self cultivation in order to pass the civil exam (or otherwise noteworthy achievement), be of service, and die with all of your business handled.
Cheng man Ching did write about the weapons and Wayne has a YouTube video explaining so no need to get into the details, but suffice it to say that his theory placed a different emphasis on each of the weapons.
The jian is yi, they're all about extending qi.
The dao is about strength and aggression and attacking.
If anybody wants to prove me wrong go hang out with some HEMA folks and get some video.
Bao wrote:When it comes to the jian and staff/sword, there's much you can continue to refine in terms of mechanics, things that can generally help your tai chi in different ways. But when you have learned the different ways to cut, slice, stab and defend with the dao, there's not much more to get out of it.
wayne hansen wrote:The sword taught me another level in pushing hands
When u have a sword no need to look for a pushing hands partner
The first sword exercise is a real task for most people to get right
wayne hansen wrote:Edededed I learnt the sword in a very square manner
The grip was light
When the hand is shoulder level on the right and the tip low on the left
It is only held by the thumb and pinkey
When reversed
In the tigers mouth
There lies the secret
Hard to describe in print easy to show
The sword is replaced in pushing by the forearm
Steve James wrote:In (by) the 20th century, nobody was going to fight with a jian. It was already worn more as a ceremonial object by the 19th (by Confucius's time, actually). Though, I was taught that one clue was the curve of the guard. It showed whether the jian was for a warrior or a scholar. Anyway, Confucius said "Never give a sword to a man who can't dance."
If we're talking about usage, then the people who do it best are the ones who do it every day. If you haven't practiced a lot with a jian, you'd be better off with a dao. (I'm talking for myself ).
Imo, origami-itto is more correct in that daos were taken to war in the 20th century. The Japanese wore and used the katana, also a single edged weapon. How many Japanese soldiers were actually adept at using the katana is unclear. Japanese armies had been using firearms in the 1500s. In WW2 they primarily used their katanas after their ammunition ran out. It's also true that the panga/machete was commonly used by various factions in African conflicts (from Uganda/Rwanda to Sierra Leone).
origami_itto wrote:Bao wrote:
It definitely has its use, good use and its own advantages in the right context. If you don't get it, then you don't get it. I couldn't care less whatever. Just throwing out some genuine information so others won't be misguided by your ignorant BS.
I don't get it. Show me.
I am ignorant. Educate me.
Take your straight sword and show me how you fight with it.
It's a long time since it's been relevant. Prove me wrong. Show me.
edededed wrote:wayne hansen wrote:The sword taught me another level in pushing hands
When u have a sword no need to look for a pushing hands partner
The first sword exercise is a real task for most people to get right
I would love to know more about this... since I have long not had a pushing hands partner
I am always trying to figure out ways to practice push hands alone.
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