everything wrote:ben would demonstrate his thing while sitting in a chair as well. no stance or squat or legs touching ground. so is there a contradiction? phases? a hazing ritual? a way to enter a door? all of the above? i don't know. personally, after a long time doing form without going too low, I finally noticed and could do "sinking qi" aside from things like letting muscle "hang" on the skeleton and all that stuff. after that point, it's not necessary to hold any particular stance to "sink qi" or find that "qi follows yi". not that I can do any of it well. just phases I noticed. perhaps that is a long, traditional route. inside follows outside first. others with some natural talent may be able to do so relatively instantly, I don't know.
charlie_cambridge wrote:everything wrote:Huang also began the same traditional way and held countless hours of zhan zhuang as well. His approach evolved with his understanding that zhan zhuang was a very inefficient exercise. PK has told us that the it was used mainly to test the students' will to learn (so basically kung fu hazing) while building leg strength, but that the "root" it builds is more suitable for harder gongfu and not the more fluid, mobile, and elastic connection between the waist and the feet that taiji requires.
Doc Stier wrote:Establishing a consistently solid root is fundamentally important in developing effective fighting skills, both defensively and offensively, as a default body method within any style or system of hand to hand combat.
Those who are unable to consistently maintain the balance and stability of bottom heavy rooting in a fixed stance will invariably also be unable to maintain same when performing active steps with speed and power. This is an easily observable fact.
The standing practices represent the first half of the process towards achieving that result. The second half involves acquiring the feeling of transferring the stationary root from a fixed stance to each foot in turn while quickly moving around. Overall, the process is more easily understood intellectually than actually known experientially in practice or application. ymmv
wayne hansen wrote:Huangs 5 exercises are basically ZZ
Especially number 1 (original order)
You would call it number 2
wayne hansen wrote:The original order and how they were done has changed over the years
Just look in Huangs book they are in there
The long film of his ten year celebration of his arrival in Malaysia has several people doing them in the original order
The order they are done in today was originally 3/1/2/4/5
everything wrote:It raises the fangsong questions.
Any grappler is hard to uproot or take down.
But still not so song when it comes to this stuff.
Also raises redundancy / layers of defense/skill questions.
And leg “yang”, upper body “yin”.
I have to make my legs strong for some knee rehab.
Low stances and this “contracting” strength are not mutually exclusive to inner work as far as I can tell for me. Qi follows yi
Good stuff
wayne hansen wrote:This is what Huangs original number one now number two exercise is all about
wayne hansen wrote:The order they are done in today was originally 3/1/2/4/5
wayne hansen wrote:I lost mine in a fire 20 years ago
Can’t remember if it was in English
It had the 5 and the 37 step
everything wrote:I’m also bottom heavy due to short legs, no muscle up top, etc.
I don’t have the “non contracting” fangsong up top but I’d say it’s way closer than in legs. If I can go from leg strength to yin/yang everywhere, it’d be better.
I’m sort of doing super-easy strength if that makes sense. Very easy KB work just enough resistance to make sure I feel my “VMO” activate well. Makes my knee area feel good. Cannot imagine having no ACL, though.
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