windwalker wrote:
and you know this how....
I was specifically referncing the clip you posted that myself and another poster (hot soup) thought the reaction very over the top.
who is that guy?
People like Wang Peisheng and Ma or Yang Sau Cheung are a different story in my opinion, they are well known and respected heads of family lineage systems.
And it's not about what I know - it's about having an informed opinion. Did you train with that specific guy and even if you did, people can still question what they are seeing.
might try to understand why they react like that....
I very much so try to understand, and I have my ideas about that which I will share shortly.
In Chinese it is said there are mountains behind the mountains
Many things may be said, but it's what they mean specifically that matter, and whether something claimed is true.
Haha,,,
It was never was my intention to come of as commercially motivated...
Not you, the people putting these clips in the public domain. Are they doing it to attract students, ones that are interested in - jedi type martial skills?
I imagine that they may be.
In fact it totally opposite just as it was with my teacher.... I work with people for free although in some ways it's not free...
Right, you and your teacher..
I recall very well that Tom (admin on RSF) recounted how he met and encountered your teacher. I assume he met you and perhaps others here have met you. No one has vouched that you can do this to them against their will. Tom said your teacher didn't do anything out of the ordinary at all with him.
My teacher while living knew some of the teachers mentioned that I post clips of, and many of the famous teacher of his time.
His skill sets reflected theirs....his in some cases higher, could be my own bias showing
Beliefs are a very powerful thing, they change peoples reality.
I must admit at sometimes being taken aback, by comments made about famous masters I post illustrating the skill sets,
some that I know some of their students.. These are guys are pretty real,,,people come to practice with because of it.
Just find it off putting...the lack of respect...
I think you need to respect other peoples opinions and experience, and stop expecting people to believe in magic powers, just because you believe they would work against other martial artists who don't want them to.
I'm going to stop quoting you there, and speak freely..
The problem is you seem to be really incapable of differentiating between yours and other peoples value systems, respect has to be mutual; expecting us all to value - in the same way - the soft skills you train and like to see demonstrated - sometimes to absurd effects, is the wrong approach to insist on. You should learn to respect that people might put them in a different perspective where martial arts are concerned. It's QUAN. Or at least supposed to be.
Instead you whine on and on about it, recounting stories that are neither here nor there..
You used to hold up the New York Yang style tai chi teacher as an example of the silly reactions that we should all somehow test. Go see him, almost like challenging people to prove something to themselves and to test him.. You didn't even know the guy.
It so happened he was in the UK and Rob P trained with him, crossed hands and reported back here. Again just like with your teacher.. Nothing out the ordinary. Nothing beyond the experience most of us are already familiar with and recognise just fine.
If someone could replicate these skills in a testing environment, it would have happened by now and been captured at least once in my opinion.. But instead of that, there are multiple instances where people failed miserably trying to replicate either empty force or subtle or not so subtle contact skills. One was posted here by Marvin wasn't it.
For my part I believe in and practice esoteric things and hold an esoteric worldview, I just don't believe they are that useful for overcoming physical reality in martial arts. They may augment someones physical skills, training in esoteric methods may provide a higher accessibility and sensitivity to mental and energetic subtle forces.
I have felt these things, but when I have they have been inadequate - BY THEMSELVES.
I also believe that beliefs create a subjective reality and shared beliefs a shared reality. So when likeminded people train in such things and train softly - they can easily begin to delude themselves and overstate what they believe to be true - and project and impose that on the objective world. That is the big mistake!
By that I mean that we are subject to a shared objective physical reality whether we like it or not.. Everyone has a mind and a will. peoples Subjective reality cannot break or impede or invalidate, or overcome someone with a strong mind and will who remains in the bounds of objective physical reality..
That is why, we see so many of these guys fail when faced with an outsider, not sharing in the subjective experience. It is not that it is wholly untrue what they feel or experience it is just that they fail to realise how they have gone into their own world mentally speaking, a reality of their own making in a way.
That's my opinion and until someone like you can effect me with jedi skills alone against my will I will hold to it. It's not that I am closed off to these things - I just can't allow myself to believe whatever someone says can work or how it works on their say so alone.