the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

I like this fellow's perspective and attention to detail that few of us (Including myself) lack but I realize the veracity of his
words are polar opposites of what some of us were taught. He is refreshing in bringing the real day to day life of a few practitioners!
Check out his perspective and enjoy!

Interesting story. Kind of a low bar for "fact". This dude should go into business as a shrink, he's got that much detail about the root cause of Yang Shao Hou's depression figured out. Amazing work. Five stars.

origami_itto wrote:Interesting story. Kind of a low bar for "fact". This dude should go into business as a shrink, he's got that much detail about the root cause of Yang Shao Hou's depression figured out. Amazing work. Five stars.

I know, right! There has to be more to the true story if a man kills himself when nobody else can. Just saying!

Doc Stier wrote:

origami_itto wrote:Interesting story. Kind of a low bar for "fact". This dude should go into business as a shrink, he's got that much detail about the root cause of Yang Shao Hou's depression figured out. Amazing work. Five stars.

I know, right! There has to be more to the true story if a man kills himself when nobody else can. Just saying!

I mean... clearly it's because his brother's students weren't training hard enough.

Haha! I think there was no love lost between these two brothers. Shao-hou undoubtedly saw Cheng-fu as the quintessential younger brother from hell, pampered and coddled growing up, yet incredibly large and powerful, more popular and more successful. What's not to hate about all that?

Doc Stier wrote:Haha! I think there was no love lost between these two brothers. Shao-hou undoubtedly saw Cheng-fu as the quintessential younger brother from hell, incredibly large and powerful, more popular and more successful. What's not to hate about all that?

I imagine Shao Hou Sitting at his vanity, combing his hair, saying "Why does everybody love CHENG FU?! It's always ChengFu ChengFu ChengFu!"

So many mistakes and assumptions in the first two minutes I couldn’t watch anymore

Can’t watch if that’s what you guys say about it

It's worth watching because he translates a newspaper article about it from the time, however, there's also a lot of speculation presented as fact from somebody who wasn't there...

Oooh I'll listen to that later.

Liang Dehua recently referenced an 'incident' behind this that occurred months after Shaohou left Beijing but won't reveal anymore.

The YouTuber here is relying on one of my Facebook posts on the topic. I have posted and translated a number of original sources that draw a precise picture of the situation at the time in case somebody wants top read more. Maybe check for ‘Yang Shaohou” under my FB account.

We don't do facebook, you should bring them here.

I only made it two minutes also. He's...just wrong. When Yang, Cheng-fu (楊澄甫) was traveling and teaching in 20s - 30s, it was a period of battle between the communist party and Chiang Kai-shek (from 1928 - 49). Many teachers hid their skills, both in fighting and healing, to avoid various kinds of trouble with the communists. But Yang, Cheng-fu was a lineage holder with a responsibility to teach everything he had learned. He DID have indoor disciples who secretly learned and preserved the martial aspects of taijiquan, the most well-known of which was Dong, Yingjie (董英傑) who also learned from Lu-Chan. The arts and forms from those chaotic years are fractured and confusing, like the "Dong" style he created and our own "old" Yang form at YMAA.

YMAA Cape Cod wrote: He DID have indoor disciples who secretly learned and preserved the martial aspects of taijiquan, the most well-known of which was Dong, Yingjie (董英傑) who also learned from Lu-Chan.

That's the first I've heard that Dong Yingjie studied with Yang Luchan. Any sources for this information?

His grandson's video tells the story, Dong Zengchen: