Yang Tai Ji Quan in Fujian?

[salcanzonieri]

Does anyone have info into how Yang style, before Yang Chen Fu version, came to Fujian?

Who brought it there?

[nicklinjm]

There was a teacher in Wenzhou (Zhejiang province) called Sun Chunmu who studied from Tian Zhaolin (i.e. Old Yang style) and taught several people in Fuzhou (Fujian). Maybe that's the branch that you saw?

[Trick]

One of the oldest forms practiced in fujianese gongfu is the 13-postures
One of the zhang sanfeng legends tells he hailed from fujian-province.
The shaolin temple zhang sanfeng stayed at was then probably the southern one.

New angles, new forms to research and compare about - maybe a new book results:)

[salcanzonieri]

There was a teacher in Wenzhou (Zhejiang province) called Sun Chunmu who studied from Tian Zhaolin (i.e. Old Yang style) and taught several people in Fuzhou (Fujian). Maybe that's the branch that you saw?

Sun ChunMu, thanks for the name. He studied under Tian ZhaoLin. I learned one of his forms, the one i learned seems closer to Chen and is a lot more combat oriented.
I like it much better than the Yang ChenFu version.
So, Shi DaoMi, also from Tian ZhaoLin line, documented a form in his book. It's 99% the same form.

What about his students in Fujian /WenZhou? I haven't been able to find a list.

[salcanzonieri]

Anyone have info on Lin Du Ying , pre Yang ChengFu practitioner from Xiamen (Amoy) in FuJian.
He is from Tien ZhaoLin lineage in Fujian.
Would he be a student of Sun ChunMu?

[zrm]

Li Xianwu and Wan Lai Sheng were the "five tigers who went south" to Guangzhou to open a Wushu center. The others being Gu Ruzhang, Wang Xiao and Fu Zhensong.

Wan Lai Sheng ended up in Fujian after the war.
Huang Yuan Xiu was a martial brother of Wan Lai Sheng's teacher, Du Xin Wu. During the republican era he was stationed in Fujian and trained Yang Taiji with Tian Zhaolin.

Wan Lai Sheng taught some kind of pre Yang Cheng Fu style. Some Wu style people do a similar form (they call it "old wu style" circa 1920s). Wan probably got it from Tian, Li Xian Wu, or possibly via the Liu De Kuan lineage. Some people say LDK trained under the Yang Ban Hou / Wu Quan You for a bit .

Li Xian Wu lineage was Yang Banhou -> Wu Quanyou -> Liu Fengshan -> Li Xian Wu

Gu Ru Zhang (aka Ku Yu Cheung) trained Taiji under Sun Lu Tang. His lineage mostly ended up around Hong Kong / Macau though.

https://brennantranslation.wordpress.co ... g-yuanxiu/
https://brennantranslation.wordpress.co ... li-xianwu/
https://brennantranslation.wordpress.co ... u-ruzhang/

[zrm]

"Liu Feng Shan was also known as Liu Chia Chen and was Dean of the Beijing Athletic Institute. He learned both Bagua and Wu style from Liu De Kuan, a disciple of Dong Hai Chuan"
https://www.torontotaichimeditationcent ... s/lineage/

Seems like Liu De Kuan trained alongside Wu Quan You but never became a disciple and thus not considered part in the Taiji lineage. Explains why Wan Lai Sheng never listed a lineage in his book.
https://brennantranslation.wordpress.co ... -laisheng/

[Graculus]

If I remember correctly, Wan Lai Sheng called his style Zhang San Feng style - there was film of him performing the set on the video of him (in his later years) that was available on VHS in the late 90s, parts of which have appeared on YouTube from time to time.

Graculus
https://ichijoji.blogspot.com

[zrm]

Sorry, should probably mention Wan Lai Sheng northern shaolin lineage comes from Liu De Kuan.

Liu De Kuan -> Zhao Xin Zhou -> Wan Lai Sheng

Wan Lai Sheng was Professor of Sports at Fujian Agriculture and Forestry University. His student Hong Zheng Fu was the Fujian Team Coach and Dean of sports at Fujian Physical Education Institute. There are stacks of wushu / tai chi people from that area that directly trained under him or one of his students. A bunch also practice his Zhang San Feng style.

[nicklinjm]

@Sal, getting back to your question about Lin Du Ying, my guess is he also learnt from the Wenzhou Tian branch, but his name doesn't appear in the list of Sun Chunmu's students.

The Wenzhou Tian-style taiji website is here (in Chinese): http://www.wztstj.com/

[Urs Krebs]

One of the oldest forms practiced in fujianese gongfu is the 13-postures
One of the zhang sanfeng legends tells he hailed from fujian-province.
The shaolin temple zhang sanfeng stayed at was then probably the southern one.

New angles, new forms to research and compare about - maybe a new book results:)

You understood precisely how some people's research works