windwalker wrote:for context, dependent on the method one follows illustrates what is thought to be the differencesThis force is obtained through training and is a acquired postnatal force.
Generally speaking, so-called jin is to concentrate one's spirit, intention, and qi to a single point, and then apply this point to a certain posture. After long-term training, it will gradually expand and grow, becoming a kind of power. This kind of power is acquired through training and is a kind of acquired clumsy power. This kind of power is large in form, slow in momentum, slow to change, and direct in movement. When used in combat, because of the large body movements and strong momentum, it easily affects the fluctuation of internal qi and is prone to浮躁 (agitation). This is similar to the training methods and requirements of Changquan (Northern Longfist).
English translation:
After long-term training, it will gradually expand and grow, becoming a kind of power.
Pinyin romanization of each character:
經過 (jīngguò): to pass through; after; via
長期 (chángqí): long-term; prolonged
的 (de): possessive particle
鍛煉 (dànliàn): to train; to exercise
以後 (yǐhòu): afterwards; after; later
就會 (jiùhuì): will; shall; is bound to
逐漸 (zhújiàn): gradually; step by step
擴大 (kuòdà): to expand; to enlarge
增長 (zēngzhǎng): to grow; to increase
起來 (qǐlái): up; upwards; to rise
變成 (biànchéng): to become; to turn into
一種 (yīzhǒng): a kind of; a type of
力 (lì): power; strength; force
origami_itto wrote:[
I dunno, just thought that was interesting, translation is such a troublesome endeavor.
windwalker wrote:Examples of not not straight line. using White Crane Spreads wings
windwalker wrote:origami_itto wrote:[
I dunno, just thought that was interesting, translation is such a troublesome endeavor.
If you can do it, or have experienced from those who can its very obvious.
Recently back from Taiwan, much discussion on the same things..
lots of misunderstanding by those who are close, countered by those
who don't follow or disbelieve the method..ie prove it...
With those that can do, choosing not to become to involved maybe feeling its pointless....
As the base reasons for people looking for or contrary to the development of it..
ie for some their cup, is very full...they like the flavor of their drink..
quite interesting and funny
windwalker wrote:Bob wrote:Not sure this adds to the discussion much but it does help illustrate the complexity of fajin and its synergistic employment of combined jins in which the strike is delivered
Thanks Bob,
Adam always good to watch.
As far as related to the discussion, what is shown is not really much different then any other way of delivering what might be called an external force..
Just as most of comments posted all deal when looked at in context to how force is "defined" are all external expressions of it. Not that "force" in itself is a bad only that depending on ones practice, and out look. one is rather limited the other developed differently not so much depending on what has been posted, allowing it to be used in a different way...
This teacher talks about the difference's later on about "internal external combined" in use....
Yang Taiji (Tai Chi) Training - Nei Jin and Fa Jin
Other methods and teachers develop and use methods completely dependent on "internal" allowing for expressions of it that can not be done any other way...Using demos of it, almost always questioned by those either not developing this type of force or haven't developed it...
In Taiwan also a subject of debate sometimes heated, that is "until it's felt"
What is better dependent on ones own choices and interest...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP-H5pDHTaY
Bob wrote:
I won't belabor the point of internal/external but with the baji I learned, if done properly, from the Liu Yunqiao line, the "external" is built upon and expresses an "internal" foundation.
windwalker wrote:Bob wrote:
I won't belabor the point of internal/external but with the baji I learned, if done properly, from the Liu Yunqiao line, the "external" is built upon and expresses an "internal" foundation.
No need to....Met some baji, people in Taiwan who practiced a softer method...
What is termed "internal" can be quite different depending on level of skill developed.
Lots of writing by many here, notice no clips what "they" can do....or not ....
with out which, little to know point in "talking" about it..as it's not clear if one can do what they'er writing about...
origami_itto wrote:GrahamB wrote:Arrows only go in a straight line in space.
They curve because an outside force, gravity, is pulling them to earth. The impelling force goes in one and only one vector.
D_Glenn wrote:My teacher Dr. Xie said that Post Heaven/natal is literally everything that you do after you are born. It’s how you can manipulate your epigenetic dna in either a healthy or unhealthy way.
Pre Heaven is the dna that you are born with.
So most of the musings that you come across about Pre and Post Heaven are gibberish, unless the musings actually teach a student something, then that fact alone gives that interpretation it’s own intrinsic value that can’t be discounted.
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