origami_itto wrote:So for the sake of discussion, here I'm working on the compression and uprooting part, but am releasing slowly and to be fair adding a little weight shift to get the effect. I generally don't "fa jin" against friendly players in a free format. Bob is no slouch, has been around a bit in the FMA and CMA worlds.
There's different pieces and parts to it. I can pull them off independently but getting it all together in the moment is definitely still challenging.
Sigh... nobody appreciates subtlety anymore, but small unbalancings keep people from getting frustrated or defensive where big fa jins can damage pride and cause escalations that interfere with training and that my skills can't handle frankly.
Point is... progressively improving on skills. I'm still actively learning and getting better. How about you?
D_Glenn wrote:origami_itto wrote:So for the sake of discussion, here I'm working on the compression and uprooting part, but am releasing slowly and to be fair adding a little weight shift to get the effect. I generally don't "fa jin" against friendly players in a free format. Bob is no slouch, has been around a bit in the FMA and CMA worlds.
There's different pieces and parts to it. I can pull them off independently but getting it all together in the moment is definitely still challenging.
Sigh... nobody appreciates subtlety anymore, but small unbalancings keep people from getting frustrated or defensive where big fa jins can damage pride and cause escalations that interfere with training and that my skills can't handle frankly.
Point is... progressively improving on skills. I'm still actively learning and getting better. How about you?
From the other thread, and what was figured out, I think you’re only doing Fauxjin, which is typically used in Yang Taiji.
In the Chen Fajin, there really isn’t a “big” Fajin. It’s all Cun Jin (inch force, which doesn’t really mean the distance between two targets, but that the movement of the lumbar spine and subsequent chain of events is really efficient and compact.), and it uses Zhen Jin (shocking force) which will allow it to Tou Jin (Penetrating Force) which means it damages organs or if you have a Na (seize) it will abrubtly break or maim the joint. So typically demonstrations of Chen will get a Na, skip the Fajin, and just Ti Fang and let them get away.
D_Glenn wrote:Origami, there’s an older thread on here somewhere that talks about this: in Chen style there is a body quality that is created called Peng, which shares the same name as the 13 energies of Peng, etc.; but this Peng Quality is that elastic tendon force that you have just described. Having Peng is the key component in a TiFang. If a person doesn’t have Peng then they cannot possibly be able to do Ti Fang. It will just be a common throw and discernibly not a TiFang.
Xingyiquan and Baguazhang also develop Peng but TiFang is less of a factor in the tactics of the two styles. So it’s not talked about or demonstrated as much.
Itto wrote:
Sigh... nobody appreciates subtlety anymore, but small unbalancings keep people from getting frustrated or defensive where big fa jins can damage pride and cause escalations that interfere with training and that my skills can't handle frankly.
Steve James wrote:Yeah, pushing the opponent downward is more traditional (ime) than making them fly upward.
Steve James wrote:I agree with you about the legs. What do you think your opponent's counter to this should be here?
Anyway, you put your outside foot outside the opponent's. You could also step in between his legs and kao him away.
johnwang wrote:
I strongly encourage people to integrate "leg skill" into Taiji PH.
windwalker wrote:What makes you feel its not there already ?
D_Glenn wrote:Origami, there’s an older thread on here somewhere that talks about this: in Chen style there is a body quality that is created called Peng, which shares the same name as the 13 energies of Peng, etc.; but this Peng Quality is that elastic tendon force that you have just described. Having Peng is the key component in a TiFang. If a person doesn’t have Peng then they cannot possibly be able to do Ti Fang. It will just be a common throw and discernibly not a TiFang.
Xingyiquan and Baguazhang also develop Peng but TiFang is less of a factor in the tactics of the two styles. So it’s not talked about or demonstrated as much.
Itto wrote:
Sigh... nobody appreciates subtlety anymore, but small unbalancings keep people from getting frustrated or defensive where big fa jins can damage pride and cause escalations that interfere with training and that my skills can't handle frankly.
nice work
johnwang wrote:windwalker wrote:What makes you feel its not there already ?
I don't see cut, sickle hook, inner hook, outer hook, shin bite, scoop kick, sticky lift, sweep, ... ever used in Taiji PH.
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