dog chasing a squirrel versus a cat chasing a squirrel.
Steve James wrote:Afa the original vid, imo, it looks like what it is, not what people expect it to look.
If someone comes at you like that, either you can deal with it or not. That's your problem. If it doesn't end up looking refined, it means the skill levels aren't the same. My biggest complaint about the vid is that it's obvious the Chen guy seems unnecessarily angry. He's trying to humiliate the other guy.
Then again, if you piss someone off, you have to deal with the consequences. Back in the day, people would walk in to the school and you never knew what to expect.
D_Glenn wrote:I never embroiled myself in those arguments, but I remember them. Lol
I’m by no means a Chen guy, or even a fan of Taiji. I’m just calling a Fig a Fig, and a Trough a Trough.
origami_itto wrote:D_Glenn wrote:I never embroiled myself in those arguments, but I remember them. Lol
I’m by no means a Chen guy, or even a fan of Taiji. I’m just calling a Fig a Fig, and a Trough a Trough.
In a certain respect you're comparing show dogs to rescue mutts.
Wang Yan is an official representative of the government appointed official home of one of their proudest intangible cultural heritages. He's been drilling since he could get yelled at and respond by practicing, most likely.
Other guy is just some weekender that wants to be Yang Lu Chan or whatever, it's like not even the same level of gungfu by several orders of magnitude, no matter WHAT Wang is practicing.
Like you take a guy that plays pickup basketball, maybe he did a little high school or college ball, and then he goes to a clinic hosted by a mid-level NBA player and challenges him to 1 on 1, that's basically the level of outclassedness we're dealing with here in my opinion.
In the Yang writings they talk about rude people walking funny for the rest of their lives after getting thrown.
But I mean whatever, fuck around and find out, lol.
D_Glenn wrote:Nor am I comparing the levels of skill between the youtuber/ commentator who stated he’s a Yang guy.
This has nothing to do with skills. I’m not comparing skills or techniques, or how hard the guy was thrown, etc. It’s the visible difference in an intrinsic body quality of movement. A movement that begins in the flesh and bones. The IMA are Muscle Tendon Changing exercises. Different training results in different Muscles and Tendons.
twocircles13 wrote:As the “expert,” you don’t always know how skilled, fast, or strong your opponent is, so you have to take advantage of the opportunities offered, take short cuts and often demonstrate a lower level of skill than you actually possess. I would call this upper low skill level. There are some taijiquan principles shown, but much of it is sloppily executed and seems to get worse as it goes along. There is certainly no teaching or training shown, just domination.
As you can tell, I don’t care for this kind of demo.
yeniseri wrote:So I came upon this interesting sample of Wang Yan at a workshop/seminar a few years back and his style
(combat applications) reminds me of Chen Yu, and Ren Guangyi. Wang Yan's level of neutralization and 'sinking
into emptiness' through structural and sensory (ting jin) is a skill that I have never been able to duplicate so I
remain amazed at my low level of nothingness and laziness.
The choice of words in describing the opponent as 'forcing an issue' while attempting to overcome a thing shows
a wall that is usually thrown up and not being able to read the others' resilience or manner of relating to the unknow, is seen
very plainly
Zhaobao Taiji quan 赵堡太极拳 push hand shi li demonstrated by Master Wang Qinsheng
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