Hair Combing

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Hair Combing

Postby johnwang on Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:45 am

This move must be so important. It almost exists in every CMA styles. It used to be the first 3 SC 24 Shi (solo forms) training (single hook comb, double hook comb, mix hook comb). It redirects the incoming force and just change the angle a little bit so it should fit in both internal and external requirement.

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Can you find it in your system?
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Darthwing Teorist on Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:54 am

We use mostly Rodney King's Crazy Monkey: http://www.fightgood.com/article/crazy-monkey/
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But we have also been taught a more static guard, especially for entries.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby JusticeZero on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:31 am

*examines picture*
By my understanding of what is being depicted and the assumption that the arrows resemble the lines of force?
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Chris McKinley on Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:55 am

The guy in your picture's got his elbows out waaay too wide, but yeah, it's a useful move....especially against hooks.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Kurt Robbins on Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:39 pm

In Muay Thai we are taught to to place the elbow on the lower ribs, cover the head closely and slightly lean into the hook.
Covering the ribs prevents liver shots on the right side and rib shots on the left.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby JusticeZero on Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:43 pm

Yeah, we cover the ribs too, we just flow with the hook into other things, instead of some sort of block. In any case, I don't remember seeing any sort of upward brushing movement in the techniques I remember.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Chris McKinley on Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:48 pm

The brushing up and backward (or over) is a way to carry the incoming punch harmlessly past you or over you instead of blocking it, per se. It's a blending move.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Jeice on Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:12 pm

My Shorin-ji Ryu Sensei has this as a part of the core curriculum.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Darthwing Teorist on Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:17 pm

Chris McKinley wrote:The brushing up and backward (or over) is a way to carry the incoming punch harmlessly past you or over you instead of blocking it, per se. It's a blending move.


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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Daniel on Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:18 pm

Yup. Both in the Bagua and the Xingyi and in weird daoist martial stuff.

Done slightly differently in all of them. Also done at various heights, like mentioned about the ribs, and a variation in Paoquan with the palm inwards.

Especially the Bagua is a good way to find out if your qi is in order...watch out for the bad toufali, the bad hair day...

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Re: Hair Combing

Postby everything on Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:26 pm

so I learned this as an empty form, disconnected from the use you mention.

separately, I learned this move, but didn't connect it back to the form.

oddly enough, it did feel natural. guess the empty form helped with something though that was totally ass backwards
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Iskendar on Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:46 am

Seen it in southern shaolin, taiji and Alex Kostic' systema. Extremely useful move.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Andy_S on Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:14 am

Not in Taiji AFAIK, but learned the basic cover as described by Kurt in boxing, and in a more focused variant, in Crazy Monkey. Rodney King's stuff is up on the web, and is pretty commonsense as a defense against head attacks.

The point of Crazy Monkey is that is is a GUARD, not a TECHNIQUE.

In silat, I learned this as a counterattack (with either elbow or kerambit) but your timing has to be superb to pull it off successfully. If, OTOH, you have it there as a guard, then...
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Chris McKinley on Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:26 am

Play the Lute from Yang Taijiquan can actually be the same movement, and Fan Through Back is similar, only with the intercepting hand facing the other direction. Folks usually think of them as grabbing types of apps, but they don't have to be.
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Re: Hair Combing

Postby Darthwing Teorist on Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:53 pm

Andy_S wrote:The point of Crazy Monkey is that is is a GUARD, not a TECHNIQUE.


True, but it can be used for deflections and it flows into elbows and punches. It can also be used as an entry because of this.
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