跤好撂,手难学 - easy to learn throws, hard to learn grip fight

[Fubo]

Of course if your opponent has winter jacket on then everything will remain the same.

That means my Gi training will be useful here in the Midwest for 6-7 months of the year. Seasonal martial arts. I try to practice as much no gi as possible, when possible.

[CaliG]

You will use more "wrapping" instead. You use one of your hands to wrap one of your opponent's arms, control his elbow with your hands and control his wrist with your arm pit (2 points control). You can also grab the inner part of his upper arm and dig your fingers into his muscle and skin. But this will require some grip strength training. You can also use under hook, over hook, head lock, waist surround, neck pull, ... to obtain the contact points that you need. It's like to switch from Gi Judo to no Gi Judo, it's not a simple task. The more experience that you have with the Gi Judo, the harder it is for you to switch into no Gi Judo. The reason is simple, the lapel that you used to depend on for your throws is no longer there. The SC side door control is completely none exist in no Gi environemnt. In other words, if your throwing skill depend heavily on you lapel grip, you pretty much have to relearn your throwing skill all over again. If your favor move is head lock then your problem is much less and all you need is to change your sleeve grip into your arm wrap. If you like to play defense and counter moves and you prefer to stay behind of your opponent then there is nothing need to be changed there. A tie, herd, spin, single leg pick, double legs pull, embrace, knee lift, inner block, trap, ... will work identical between Gi and no Gi environment.

It's kind of scary feeling in the 1st couple years of your evolution. You may feel that some of your past experience had been wasted (this is why so many people still are not willing to evolve yet). Since SC is more similar to wrestling than Judo does, the evolution is much easier for SC and harder for Judo.

Of course if your opponent has winter jacket on then everything will remain the same.

Thanks for the tips, I was recently having a pretty decent run against a wrestler and I know it was because of the lapel grip, since it allowed me to keep him at the distance I wanted him at.

Then the other day I was playing with a friend without much experience (jacketless) and I had a hard time controlling him playing my usual game. It gave me something to think about. I did notice that the keeping two on his power arm stopped him from being able to do anything, but also I couldn't do anything.

I think I need to spend some time doing the pummeling drill.



In SC is the overhook/whizzer usually used as a counter?

[johnwang]

(jacketless) and I had a hard time controlling him playing my usual game.

You can still put your hand on your opponent's lapel position by putting your fore arm on his chest and your hand "hook" on the back of his neck. This way your elbow can still prevent him from coming too close. If him tries to punch you with the other hand, you can always raise your elbow to jam his punch. You can also slide your arm into a head lock or over hook if you need. This arm position in SC is called "mantis arm" (if you can image how mantis use it's fore-arm).

[DeusTrismegistus]

(jacketless) and I had a hard time controlling him playing my usual game.

You can still put your hand on your opponent's lapel position by putting your fore arm on his chest and your hand "hook" on the back of his neck. This way your elbow can still prevent him from coming too close. If him tries to punch you with the other hand, you can always raise your elbow to jam his punch. You can also slide your arm into a head lock or over hook if you need. This arm position in SC is called "mantis arm" (if you can image how mantis use it's fore-arm).

I didn't even know that had a name. I use that a lot since I practice without a jacket most times.

[CaliG]

JW, in SC do you guys do 2 handed belt grips?



In BJJ it's common for someone to just wrap their legs around you and fall to their back instead of going for the takedown. One thing I do to prevent this is grab their belt from the front and then the back to do a pick-up, kind of like the vid at 0:05.

It seems to be working well. It would be good to get your feedback on this throw.

[nianfong]

I've never seen anyone lose at grip fighting so bad as to get both sides of their belt grabbed.... and in any case, that's not so good a control. you want to have one belt grip, and one grip on the outside somewhere. for embracing, behind the knee of one leg is good.

[shawnsegler]

In BJJ it's common for someone to just wrap their legs around you and fall to their back instead of going for the takedown. One thing I do to prevent this is grab their belt from the front and then the back to do a pick-up, kind of like the vid at 0:05.

It seems to be working well. It would be good to get your feedback on this throw.

Where's the video of the dumbass who does that and gets his gourd smashed into the ground .

[CaliG]

Thanks Fong, that would be a nice grip for a leg pick.

Where's the video of the dumbass who does that and gets his gourd smashed into the ground .

[shawnsegler]

Gleh...that's like watching Joe Theisman get LT'd...so ugly.

[DeusTrismegistus]

was it the gracie that got kod?

[CaliG]

Nah, Gracie was doing the slamming.

[johnwang]

Do they call that "jump guard" in BJJ? I have always think it's a stupid idea to do that. It give you a perfect opportunity to drop your elbow right on his throat with your body weight behind it.

[CaliG]

There's a huge heated grip thread active on the judo forum:

http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... =0&start=0

Good times,

G

[johnwang]

JW, in SC do you guys do 2 handed belt grips?

I don't think it's a good strategy. You give your opponent's hands too much freedom. Usually you use one hand to grab the center of your opponent's belt (front or back) and another hand to control his leading arm. If both of your opponent's hands are free, he can "twist" your head and 'snap" your neck and that can counter almost any moves that you try to use. He can also use Taiji "twin peaks to the ears" on you in combat.

In BJJ it's common for someone to just wrap their legs around you and fall to their back instead of going for the takedown. One thing I do to prevent this is grab their belt from the front and then the back to do a pick-up, kind of like the vid at 0:05.

It seems to be working well. It would be good to get your feedback on this throw.

I usually just drop my elbow at my opponent's throat. After that he won't do that again. In SC, you are allow to hurt your opponent if he refuses to let go his grips during falling. I'm not sure the "elbow dropping during falling" is allowed in MMA rules or not.

There's a huge heated grip thread active on the judo forum:

http://judoforum.com/index.php?showtopi ... =0&start=0

The more that I look at Judo, the more that I can see the difference between 2 styles. Judo tries to stay in the "sport" environment while SC was always in "combat" environment. Sometime it's very difficult to convince any Judo guys that there are something called "combat" than just "sport".

[CaliG]

Thanks for the feedback.

I agree about the judoforum, when you take everything from a sport
perspective then your mind will be closed to other considerations and
your only concern is how you win with a ref either by points or
impressing the judges and grappling against someone who has roughly
the same weight as you, which is obviously very different from what
you'll encounter on the streets which is complete and total chaos.