跤好撂,手难学 - easy to learn throws, hard to learn grip fight

[CaliG]

More cool equipment from Ivanov.



What do you guys think?

[everything]

that looks very good. can you recommend how to make a decent homemade version for little expense?

[CaliG]

The SC version is a bag of sand.

[everything]

thanks man. I remember seeing that vid posted a while back. I'll see what I can whip up. If I'm using a bag of sand, I'll have to wait til summer to try this (spring pollen is kicking my ass). Gonna take a bag and fill it with who-knows-what and give these a try this weekend.

[johnwang]

I agree about the judoforum, when you take everything from a sport
perspective then your mind will be closed to other considerations and
your only concern is how you win with a ref either by points or
impressing the judges and grappling against someone who has roughly
the same weight as you, which is obviously very different from what
you'll encounter on the streets which is complete and total chaos.

The more that I read those threads in that Judo forum, the more that I feel how difficult it is to evolve from sport SC to combat SC (CC). It takes more than 25 years effort to complete those evolution. I also find out that it's very difficult to exchange idea with those who care only about "sport" and can't care less about "combat".

[Bodywork]

I think John Is right-on here.
Throws; perfectly executed. are almost effortless. but it is the set up, the entry, the opening that is the real work. Throws are not always pretty and by the book are they?
Vying for grips is not a "grip strength" issue (which, if you are training correctly should not be an issue anyway-your grip should outmatch a fisherman / farmer etc (grew up with a farmer and contractor- you would need to feel a masonry contractor who spent his life tossing up 8 and 12" concrete block) 'Playing grips" is a tactical game. In sport, its one thing. in a combative form, something all together different. And in external guys it is one thing, in internal guys something all together different and better.
I think you would need to play with a grappler who has the ability to "shut down" your ability to enter and create his own openings to understand it. An adjunct to this is that in MMA you are not just setting up throws, you are setting up knees, elbows, strikes, and...throws. Add sticks and knives and its another level again.
Dan

[nianfong]

it's a bag of iron sand or I actually have bullets (no shells) in a long bag. the bag is made from the same stuff our SC jackets are made of. lemme know if you want one, and I can talk to my teacher about sending you one. I believe they're like $20 a pop, + S&H. no tax I believe since you're in WA.

[CaliG]

it's a bag of iron sand or I actually have bullets (no shells) in a long bag. the bag is made from the same stuff our SC jackets are made of. lemme know if you want one, and I can talk to my teacher about sending you one. I believe they're like $20 a pop, + S&H. no tax I believe since you're in WA.

Send it Fedex Ground, it should only be about a $1 a pound for that size.

Fong,

How is using the bag different from Kettlebell swings and Medicine ball slams?

G

Here's some more gut wrenching Bulgarian bag work.

[nianfong]

the long bag has a shock element to it that the KB swings and such don't have. the weight has time to accelerate to a higher speed and then you have to decelerate it with your body in a much shorter time frame. It works your grip like nothing else, really. I need to reduce the amount of bullets in my bag because my grip simply can't handle the weight right now.

the long bags my teacher sells are empty. you have to fill it with whatever you have. you can buy BBs or shot, sand, or whatever. steel nuts work too.

[fuga]

The long bag that Fong brought to the Gooseshit Gathering was fun to play with. It's more explosive at the end of its trajectory than a kettlebell (you get it moving faster) and the grip can be more difficult. It also allows you to play better angles closer to throws than with a kettlebell.

When you are first playing with it, don't stand next to a window and make sure you don't have a friend standing next to you.

Fong, I want to get one. Can you ask your teacher for me? Thanks.

[nianfong]

sure thing, I'll ask him. yeah I need to reduce the weight on mine...haha. and also try out those cool drills the beijing SC guys do.

[Ian]

it's a bag of iron sand or I actually have bullets (no shells) in a long bag.

haha that sounds completely unecessarily hardcore.

[nianfong]

not at all. the bullets don't "bounce" off each other--they just go "thud" in inelastic collisions. iron sand also doesn't bounce. makes the impact at the end that much more cohesive and hard to grip.

[CaliG]

Thanks Fong, I'd be interested in getting one too.