Walk the Torque wrote:
One of the things that I have noticed is that force is passed far more clearly from one body to another when there is a lack of excess tension. Nothing new in that of course; but what I also notice is that the pressure of punch or palm strike that "goes through the target" actually decreases the clarity of force that penetrates into the receiving body.
So that is what I have noticed. Now I have a question. What do we think is the least amount of contact pressure would it take to transfer the entire internal force generated by one very skilled person into another? Is it totally outside the bounds of possibility to train oneself to time the impact of their jin to coincide with a light contact pressure of another body in order to transfer the full and unimpeded force of that jin?
Walk the Torque wrote:I thought I'd raise this question on a separate thread in case the first one gets canned due to............well you know
Instead of discussing the existence of a soft brush-like strike that causes extreme pain or odd sensations in the body; why not have a crack at working out how such a strike could be achieved. By this I mean working on the mechanics, positional set up and timing that would make something like this achievable. This may to some, be nothing more than an interesting exercise, and to others no more than foolishness and pissing up wind in a blind ally, but you never know where such constructive debate might lead.
but what I also notice is that the pressure of punch or palm strike that "goes through the target" actually decreases the clarity of force that penetrates into the receiving body.
The second thing that I have noticed is that when using spiral forces, pushing or striking at a tangent to the target seems to help in arresting the retardation of transfer of force. It is (subjectively) like the difference between firing a ball from a small cannon or sling-shooting it. The latter seems to afford a clearer penetration of the target.
One of the things that I have noticed is that force is passed far more clearly from one body to another when there is a lack of excess tension.
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Ian wrote:but what I also notice is that the pressure of punch or palm strike that "goes through the target" actually decreases the clarity of force that penetrates into the receiving body.
I think I raised a similar observation about a week ago about punching through vs punching in. Nice to hear your thoughts on the matter.The second thing that I have noticed is that when using spiral forces, pushing or striking at a tangent to the target seems to help in arresting the retardation of transfer of force. It is (subjectively) like the difference between firing a ball from a small cannon or sling-shooting it. The latter seems to afford a clearer penetration of the target.
As in punching at an angle to the struck surface instead of head on? Not quite sure what you're saying.
klonk wrote:Lately I have been wondering if this is related, at all, to the principle of the dead blow hammer.
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Tom wrote:The Qi Xing Gan, or Seven Star Staff/Stick of baguazhang, traditionally was a hollowed-out bamboo pole partially filled with mercury, used for point striking. The mercury would flow to the end of the pole contacting the opponent, adding momentum to the strike.
The Qi will behave like mercury - once you strike with the hand it immediately flows from out of Dantian, waist, and reaches the hand. The hand will be felt by the opponent as very heavy. Only at this moment you can start learning Bagua techniques and movements.
Small Heavenly Circle will open naturally, not intentionally, when your Neigong reaches this level. However your practice has to be supervised by a competent teacher". Then soon after states "No, you have to open the Large Heavenly Circle so that Qi can reach your hands. This also takes time and you have to think first - use Intent (Yi) - to drive Qi to the hands. Once Qi follows your Intent, the next step is to be able to move Qi without any conscious effort.
yusuf wrote:hey all
Ok. If we try and break this down into just physical stuff, are you talking about the structure hitting followed by a wave momentum?
peace
yusuf
GrahamB wrote:yusuf wrote:hey all
Ok. If we try and break this down into just physical stuff, are you talking about the structure hitting followed by a wave momentum?
peace
yusuf
I'm not, but I think I'm ploughing my own lonely furrow, as usual
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