what is advanced?

[yusuf]

Advanced is kicking your ass.

advanced is sharing the knowledge you have, openly, to elevate others....

[EightExtremesBoxer]

Advanced is kicking your ass.

advanced is sharing the knowledge you have, openly, to elevate others....

Therefore :

Kicking ass is sharing the knowledge, openly, to elevate others....

Yeah, that works.

[yusuf]

Advanced is kicking your ass.

advanced is sharing the knowledge you have, openly, to elevate others....

Therefore :

Kicking ass is sharing the knowledge, openly, to elevate others....

Yeah, that works.

[everything]

if you ask about
"advanced technique"-
when you are able set up position such way that next opponents move leds him into oblivon

yes. this is a basic principle in chess. to first look for forced moves where you set up your opponent to only be able to make a finite number of moves, all of which you can anticipate, due to constraints you created. that keeps your opponent from doing something you could not foresee and might have more difficulty countering and automatically gives you an extra step. not necessarily an advanced technique in chess but something taught early on. (the oblivion forced move is of course checkmate).

in basketball, it's called "set the defense".

i suppose the taiji saying about enticing someone to fall into emptiness also means this, but more specific to the taiji type of counterattacking.

if player A can always or usually do this to player B, I think we can say player A is more advanced than player B.

[everything]

we may look at the advancement at 2 levels at least.

1. principle level

a. we practice basic or essential moves well. yes this is entering level or our building block or learning alphabet or alpha and beta.

b. we build several basic moves into combo, in the logic of covering the leaks or opening created by the previous move. we understand the disadvantage created or shortcoming when we do a certain basic move from a.. we know both yin and yang of the move.

c. we practice counter to our basic move in a.

d. we practice counter to c. (we advance from a. so level d will be advanced level)

2. form or tao lu practice consideration

for example in Ba Ji

a. xiao ba ji, we practice to gain skills in basic or essential move. (learning the skill or si qi shu)

b. da ba ji, we practice to know the tactics and strategy (guan qi yi. gazing at arts)

c. ba ji lian huan, we practice ai bang ji kao (closing, nearing, push and kao). these are skills that we focus on the style or make the flavor or distinction of the style.

c would be advance level meaning we have to do a and b first and finally to do c.

there are more definition or consideration

just mention 2 aspects.

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I think that describes getting to intermediate. Learning all the a's, b's, then c's. Advanced, I guess (not there as I'm stuck with a's and b's), would mean one knows all that and can deal with any of that. I hear stories in the sport context where so-and-so will get you with a specific technique no matter what. It doesn't matter what a-b-c sequence happened. It also doesn't matter that you know that technique is his favorite. It will all be a set-up for him. Like Tyson with the left hook and Fedor with the armbar (well, the anything, really). Checkmate is coming.

[Wanderingdragon]

Advanced is the confidence to know there is more

[wiesiek]

if you ask about
"advanced technique"-
when you are able set up position such way that next opponents move leds him into oblivon

yes. this is a basic principle in chess.

wow
didn`t know that i can play chess to:)
thx E.

[dragontigerpalm]

Being able to deny your opponent any effective attack while being able to effectively attack your opponent in any number of ways as warranted by the nature of the engagement is advanced.

[RobP2]

Kicking ass is sharing the knowledge, openly, to elevate others....

Yeah, that works.

Hence the saying "now I'm going to teach you a lesson....."

Advanced is seeing things as they are not as you'd like them to be

[Leimeng]

~ Advanced is material that challenges you. Stuff that you have to work on for a while to get. When you finally get it, it becomes basic, or a further clarification of the basics. At that point you have to find new means to challenge you if you want to find what is truely advanced.
~ Decades ago I when I first started martial arts, I just passed my yellow belt test in TKD and looked at the green level forms and felt that they were really advanced and hard. Now I look at the blackbelt material and feel that beyond the physical stress on an overweight body, most of the material is pretty simple. Of course, I dont practice TKD any more. Some of the bagua and hsing I material was truely challenging when I first studied it and I felt I would never get it. Now I am showing others the same stuff.
~ One should not look at themselves as being advanced, instead one should look at themselves as just starting to learn. I can remember something He Jinbao said a while back. Mind you he has been doing Bagua for forty years. He stated that as he was reading some stuff and practicing it, he felt he was STARTING to understand it.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

You'll notice that a turtle only makes progress when it sticks out its neck.

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

[edededed]

Advanced material is that which requires previous material to be mastered first.

For example - arithmetic is basic, algebra is more advanced (and requires some mastery of arithmetic first).

[Ian]

Advanced is the confidence to know there is more

well hell, I must be super advanced then

[Wanderingdragon]

Confidence means you haven't lost any fights, knowing there is more means you train daily correcting your mistakes.

[SPJ]

we all start with learning some basic, and then move from there. or advance from there.

there is an old Chinese saying, Shi Fu ling jin men, xiu xing zai ge ren. 师傅领进门 修行在个人 the teacher leads you thru the door, how we advance/practice/learn to a better level depends on us/individual.



singing when young



Nada sou sou

I like Natsu Kawa Ri Mi or 夏川里美. She is a singer from Okinawa.

She sings when she was young. As she grew, her singing is getting better, too. She "advanced".

so for me, advance means improve or getting better with the basic or from the basic.

[Darth Rock&Roll]

advanced is always relative to the context in which it is experienced.

a sifu to some is intermediate to others