YOur interpretation of these hands

[Darth Rock&Roll]

Cut
Lift
Push
Catch

how do you do each of these?

Do you train them with force on a heavy bag or wooden man?

These are just four hand changes, all open hand.

[Strange]

what style and/or context are you talking about

[bailewen]

This is one of those times where I really need the Chinese to tell what the heck is being asked or at least, as Strange put it, style and context. Depending on what quanpu they came out of they could mean just about anything.

[johnwang]

I really need the Chinese to tell what the heck is being asked.

I'm Chinese and I'm not sure either.

Cut - Karate chop?
Lift - LF upward palm eblow deflect?
Push - Taiji speciality?
Catch - Eagle claw grab?

[Darth Rock&Roll]

well, cut can be "pek" like a karate chop.

But in context I am using an open hand palm down and heel/ridge strike that cuts across the body for cut

for lift, it is a full palm with most force at the whole heel and coming up and under the ribs but also straight and forward into the hip horns.

for push it is touch with finger tips and push with the whole palm

for catch, it is a dissolving catch with the fingers down while stepping in. catch the incoming body and use one of the other palms to strike, push etc to redirect or stop.

these are all palms. and all drawn from sil lum. and can be used at all gates of the body.
the hands fit into the body accordingly.

i find that i tend to use more open hand techniques as opposed to out and out punches (although those have great purpose as well i context)

each of these has a different energy and structure associated with each and can be used in all ranges but are most effective from the inside.
I guess a little clip will be in order to show what i mean.

will do on wednesday for demonstration purposes.

[Josealb]

You mean lift as in Tiao...or Ba Zi Gong's Ding?

Cut as in Zhan (cut, render, severe)? or Pi?

Catch...thats pure eagle, the seizing, pouncing quality.

Personally, i dont put much emphasis on the training format, i just focus on the intent of each one. The action with the result in mind, already happening.

[Brady]

Personally, i dont put much emphasis on the training format, i just focus on the intent of each one. The action with the result in mind, already happening.

well put.

[bailewen]

well, cut can be "pek" like a karate chop.

But in context I am using an open hand palm down and heel/ridge strike that cuts across the body for cut

for lift, it is a full palm with most force at the whole heel and coming up and under the ribs but also straight and forward into the hip horns.

for push it is touch with finger tips and push with the whole palm

for catch, it is a dissolving catch with the fingers down while stepping in. catch the incoming body and use one of the other palms to strike, push etc to redirect or stop.

these are all palms. and all drawn from sil lum. and can be used at all gates of the body.
the hands fit into the body accordingly.

i find that i tend to use more open hand techniques as opposed to out and out punches (although those have great purpose as well i context)

each of these has a different energy and structure associated with each and can be used in all ranges but are most effective from the inside.
I guess a little clip will be in order to show what i mean.

will do on wednesday for demonstration purposes.

That little is enough to ID at least 3 of them.

chop=pek(Cantonese)=pi(Mandarin) as in "pi quan" or "pi gua" 劈
lift=? (I would have guessed "ti" but it doesn't match your description)
push sounds like "an" from Taiji. (more or less) 按
catch = jie (mandarin) = jeet (cantonese) 接 as in "jeet kun do" From your description is doesn't sound like Eagle Claw grabbing at all.

[Strange]

if just talking about "jie"
it may be 接 (jie1) meaning to accept, catch , receive; or it may be 截 (jie2) meaning to intercept.

in jeet kun do, i believe the latter word is used

[D_Glenn]

well, cut can be "pek" like a karate chop.

But in context I am using an open hand palm down and heel/ridge strike that cuts across the body for cut

for lift, it is a full palm with most force at the whole heel and coming up and under the ribs but also straight and forward into the hip horns.

for push it is touch with finger tips and push with the whole palm

for catch, it is a dissolving catch with the fingers down while stepping in. catch the incoming body and use one of the other palms to strike, push etc to redirect or stop.

these are all palms. and all drawn from sil lum. and can be used at all gates of the body.
the hands fit into the body accordingly.

i find that i tend to use more open hand techniques as opposed to out and out punches (although those have great purpose as well i context)

each of these has a different energy and structure associated with each and can be used in all ranges but are most effective from the inside.
I guess a little clip will be in order to show what i mean.

will do on wednesday for demonstration purposes.

Baguazhang's dragon shape palm seems like it might have a somewhat similar shenfa to what you do. It works mostly in front of the chest, but not neccesarily in front of the body, and it's primary method is 'containing' (han li) which uses the power of the torso and shoulders working together.

All open palms-
Cut/chop - pi - with the heel of the palm or ridge hand.
Lift - tou- lift directly with the palms or with a rubbing force using the forearm.
Push- tui- with open palm
Capture - kou- palm is down towards the inside of the forearm and it captures with the crook of the wrist and the forearm, hands can also grab.

All the strikes need a shocking/shaking (zhen) force on contact but follow through as it's known for being 'continuous' and thereby 'coercing' a 'change'.


The actual order of it's 8 methods is: 1-push/tui; 2-lift/tou; 3-carry/dai; 4-lead/ling; then the last four are more like energies: 5-ban/move; 6-kou/capture; 7-pi/chop; 8- jin/enter.

Because it works more in front of the chest, and less to the side of it, it's the origin of 'double-palm change' and it has 'double-handed' techniques where both hands attack at the same time either using the same method (like double push or chop etc.) and either attacking together (both to the chest or on the same arm), separate (one high, one low, or separate arms), or using 2 different methods (like one hand captures while the other is push striking).

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[bailewen]

if just talking about "jie"
it may be 接 (jie1) meaning to accept, catch , receive; or it may be 截 (jie2) meaning to intercept.

in jeet kun do, i believe the latter word is used

Your right. My bad. Still, from the description, he could mean either one.