Meat Cleaver attack!

[AllanF]

So i am in a taxi going home from work on Friday night and i turn into the street towards the temple beside my flat. I see a man mid to late 20s, solidly built guy and about 5ft 10". As we drive towards him i see he has an angry expression on his face and his right hand is clenched into a fist and is purposefully striding forward. Then i glance down towards his left hand and i notice he is carrying a huge meat cleaver, i look behind him and see, what i assume were his friends, all looking a little agitated and worried, some on mobile phones others pulling their comrades after the armed individual. Beyond them were the obligatory group of bystanders who had stopped to watch what may unfold. I looked back at the cleaver carrying man just as we turned around the corner to see him pointing at someone and shouting...after that i am not sure what happened and i found out nothing since.

The event sent a shiver down my spine for sure, and also raised a number of questions.

Firstly how to deal with someone welding a mighty meat clever should they attack you?
Secondly, how to deal with the fear factor?
Do you train to deal with armed attacks regularly? If so what are your methods?

[cerebus]

Firstly how to deal with someone welding a mighty meat clever should they attack you?
Secondly, how to deal with the fear factor?
Do you train to deal with armed attacks regularly? If so what are your methods?

That's actually pretty easy. I run like Hell. No friggin' joke...

[johnwang]

It's always good to

- have running shoes on.
- run 4 miles daily.
- spring into your maximum speed daily.
- have a solid oak stick in your car.
- have a walther PPK in your pocket 24/7.
- have a 2nd home in the Amazon jungle.

[C.J.Wang]

"Tsai Dao" (vegetable cooking knife), or meat clever as it is called in the West, is one of the common weapons of choice among the Chinese populations worldwide because it's used in cooking and can be literally found in every household's kitchen.

One of the funny Chinese expressions used to warn unfaithful husbands is that,"Don't get caught! Or be chased after by your wife wielding a 'tsai dao.'"

Back to knife disarming, I was told by a senior combat instructor from Taiwan's National Police University that it's almost impossible to walk away from a real knife disarming situation unharmed. At the very least, the defender should expect minor to severe cuts on the arms and hands. So his advice for both trained and untrained individuals, especially the trained due to the over-confidence, is to run away and avoid confrotation as much as possible. Fighting back and disarming are always the last resorts.

[AllanF]

CJ Wang re every house hold has one, yup we have 3, which is why i respect my wife sooo much!

Running away would of course be my first course of action, and if it was me the guy was looking for you wouldn't see me for dust. I'd be on the first available flight back to the land of the shirt wearing tree throwers. (Scotland)

However if for example you are cornered with no way out or if you are with some loved ones who would not out run said nutter (and assuming you are not the type to think as long as i can run faster than my loved ones, i'll be ok), then zen me ban? How to deal with?

[klonk]

"Tsai Dao" (vegetable cooking knife), or meat clever as it is called in the West, is one of the common weapons of choice among the Chinese populations worldwide because it's used in cooking and can be literally found in every household's kitchen.

One of the funny Chinese expressions used to warn unfaithful husbands is that,"Don't get caught! Or be chased after by your wife wielding a 'tsai dao.'"

Back to knife disarming, I was told by a senior combat instructor from Taiwan's National Police University that it's almost impossible to walk away from a real knife disarming situation unharmed. At the very least, the defender should expect minor to severe cuts on the arms and hands. So his advice for both trained and untrained individuals, especially the trained due to the over-confidence, is to run away and avoid confrotation as much as possible. Fighting back and disarming are always the last resorts.

A Chinese friend of a friend was killed with one of those things--in the kitchen of the restaurant he owned. I think the only lesson is weapons against weapons--empty hands at last resort. I have preached for many years that if you have to defend yourself unarmed, you screwed up somewhere, because you failed properly to prepare for the threats that were possible.

Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill . So, no, carrying a pistol is not always the answer.

[johnwang]

carrying a pistol is not always the answer.

If you don't like gun, you can always carry a derringer.

http://www.derringerpistol.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfUYmse0L0w

[klonk]

CJ Wang re every house hold has one, yup we have 3, which is why i respect my wife sooo much!

Running away would of course be my first course of action, and if it was me the guy was looking for you wouldn't see me for dust. I'd be on the first available flight back to the land of the shirt wearing tree throwers.

However if for example you are cornered with no way out or if you are with some loved ones who would not out run said nutter (and assuming you are not the type to think as long as i can run faster than my loved ones, i'll be ok), then zen me ban? How to deal with?

Well, you didn't ask me directly, but I'll take a shot at it if I may. It seems to me the best chances (but see my post above--you are already in deeper than you should be) is the early stick-and-adhere approach of taijiquan. By early I mean before he swings the damned thing. Preemptively stick on his forearm and follow, being careful to move out of the way any body parts you want to retain. Your retaliation had better be pretty damned brisk.

[klonk]

carrying a pistol is not always the answer.

If you don't like gun, you can always carry a derringer.

http://www.derringerpistol.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfUYmse0L0w

A derringer is a nice thing to have when you can't carry a gun.

We're American, we can arm ourselves in almost any way we like. Some politicians don't know why we think that is a good idea. I say the good people outnumber the bad, and that is a good reason.

[gosao]

If someone was coming at me with a meat cleaver and I was empty handed I'd seriously just run like a mofo.. those chinese chefs are no joke.

There was just such an attack in my neck of the woods last month! Broomstick versus cleaver.. not a good idea...

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12652998

[Chris McKinley]

Empty hand skills are there to buy you time to get to your weapon.....learn it, live it, love it.

[Strange]

i was think that maybe..... just maybe, a trained martial artist might be able to make use of the anger and belligerence, instead of becoming afraid of it.... being led by the nose like.

[Muad'dib]

Once upon a long time ago, when I was in a knife fighting group, I went up against a guy I was damn sure I could beat. And I would have. If he hadn't picked up the chair and used it as a shield.

[Franklin]

it's almost impossible to walk away from a real knife disarming situation unharmed. At the very least, the defender should expect minor to severe cuts on the arms and hands. So his advice for both trained and untrained individuals, especially the trained due to the over-confidence, is to run away and avoid confrotation as much as possible. Fighting back and disarming are always the last resorts.

years ago i had an instructor (and good friend) who had been in many many bad situations and had many scars
his advice was about the same....


franklin

[Overlord]

Be spontaneous..., if you think, and then fear will get you now and later.

Three seconds rule, if you hesitate more than three seconds, just quit it.
Reason one, because you think, you already fight with yourself before fight with others.
Reason two, you are exposed, the attacker know what you want to do, and arm himself intentionally.
Aikido randori provides the best training we needed. Lots of randori training.

Of course there are tricks to divert attackers intention.
But tricks can only work in certain conditions. Dont push them more than once for the same person. They pick up your sequence.
Such as feint with legs, and if they try to block the leg with cleaver, then push their nose, and keep on hitting them.
(If they dont swing the cleaver much when you feint, dont even think about it, they are good, run and look for then other opportunity, the run can be a feint, so run slow if you want to feint, you will find the cleaver move slower if you are the moving in same direction.)

Also utilize what you have, a pen as weapon or jacket as a partial shield. Anything goes.

Because i am buddhist, so i will just quit. Violence is not good. Unless very necessary.

I once had to stop a friend from getting into a fight, tell him to observe another 3secs, he thought a girl was being harassed.
Later on, he found out it is just an argument between gf and bf, they hugged and kissed.
Hope that help.

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