I-mon wrote:my questions got swamped in the dai xinyi thread so i'll ask again:
what are the different types of shanxi and hebei xingyi?
is shanxi xingyi basically che style and song style, or are there other types?
did hebei xingyiquan start with li cun yi?
maybe i should post this question on jarek's site instead.
I-mon wrote:ok, i thought Guo Yunshen learned from Li Cunyi. guess i got the two Li's mixed up.
so tell me about Li Luoneng.
Chris Fleming wrote:I'm not going to act like I know more than I do, but having trained Shanxi and Hebei methods, I can say that the Shanxi is much more sophisticated and circular. Hebei is good and powerful too, but many practitioners seem to want to make their movements very hard like karate and not learn the style to it's fullest extent. I find the Hebei style to be defensively lacking too.
Anyways, in my opinion shanxi style is really riding on the coattails of hebei style, since hebei brought xingyi out into the world and made it famous for its vicious fighting methods. Shanxi just sort of stayed quietly in the countryside and did its own thing, but now Shanxi style is trying to make itself famous and one killer way to do that is to say that not only is it the "original" xingyi, its also way more complex that hebei style.
90% of famous xingyi fighters of the past practiced hebei style. I can name probably like 20 or 30 famous fighters from hebei style and just about none from shanxi. I'm not gonna say thats because shanxi can't produce fighters, but instead will say that hebei was out in the world with masters proving themselves before shanxi was. Its really ridiculous to say that one is better than the other, they are like twin sisters who grew up in different houses from each other.
I-mon wrote:thanks guys.
no need to get into which arts have what in this thread (although i guess it's bound to happen), just trying to trace things back.
so did Che Yizhai, Song Shirong and Song Shide all learn from Li luoneng as well?
mixjourneyman wrote:Chris Fleming wrote:I'm not going to act like I know more than I do, but having trained Shanxi and Hebei methods, I can say that the Shanxi is much more sophisticated and circular. Hebei is good and powerful too, but many practitioners seem to want to make their movements very hard like karate and not learn the style to it's fullest extent. I find the Hebei style to be defensively lacking too.
Maybe you just had a crappy hebei teacher.
Hebei is fine for defense, offense, and trained power. Yep hebei trains "gang" pretty heavy duty. It doesn't mean that its not good. Actually, just the opposite. Hebei is very good indeed. You just have to find a good teacher to bring out the subtlety of the art.
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