Coach DAi wrote:I-mon wrote:thanks guys.
no need to get into which arts have what in this thread (although i guess it's bound to happen), just trying to trace things back.
so did Che Yizhai, Song Shirong and Song Shide all learn from Li luoneng as well?
Yes, they did.
Any system of XY is potentially devastatingly effective. Depends on the practitioner and the quality of instruction. Hebei's special quality imo is its simplicity - one can develop more quickly in terms fighting skills. Shanxi style's special quality is a more in depth repetoire of neigong methods for building internal power for fighting, but it takes a little longer.
Song style to me has seemed to be the bridge between Shanxi and Hebei. The shapes are more similar than in Che, but Song style is of course and much smaller frame and a totally different shenfa.But for example they both use the palm in Pi Jin and opposed to the fist in Che style which is an obvious sign of it's similarity with older Dai methods. When you look at various players from both Shanxi and Hebei youre bond to see some individuals from both that possess delightful skill. Ive seen some really wack Shanxi and some atrocious Hebei.
As a Hebei player theres nothing wrong with researching some of the more traditonal systems to see what elements may have not made it down the "pipeline", and as a Shanxi player one can easily see that the Hebie style does in fact put out more "winners" sooner due to its simplified approach.
Well, I'm just an old nobody, but I have to agree with Coach 100%. Good eye and assessment Dai, I've always thought that Che style fell somewhere between the two.
The point is learning to fight well right? Not about who looks better than who while doing it. I'll take a lucky shot or the guy falling down on his own any day of the week..... Xingyi works, period..... with the right teacher...... AND hard work.....
Chas