Bhassler wrote:Fubo wrote:Throwing is throwing... in terms of body mechanics, it doesn't matter whether you are using so call internal force or whatever, everyone has to play by the same principles that make a hip throw, or shoulder throw, or pickup, etc... work... there may be variations on those throws, but the basic principles need to stay the same for them to work well.
Question for the SC guys:
I was playing with a basic hip throw a while back. A has his right leg in front of B's left leg and his right arm behind B's waist. So A can turn his hips away from B and drag B's waist to throw B over A's hip (so the direction of A's hip cirlce is right hip forward, left hip back). The typical counter is for B to sink and drive his left knee forward a little bit between A's legs. At this point, A can reverse the direction of his hip circle, borrowing B's force, and still make the throw (instead of throwing B around the outside of A's hip, A will circle around and come slightly under B's hip to throw B more over A's hip-- it's easier to do than to describe). However, if B is quick enough, instead of just driving his left knee forward he can instead circle his own hips in the same direction of A's circle but a little bit smaller, and dump A backwards instead of getting thrown. A of course could counter by changing his own circle to move inside of B's-- whoever can get the smallest circle at the right angle wins.
This is a fairly simple thing to do in a cooperative or semi-cooperative setting, and obviously much harder to do against a fully resisting opponent, but the method is in an isolated context typical of a lot of things that happen in taiji. Does SC use minute adjustments like this for it's borrowing? If so, how is the ability trained to do that in a "live" setting?
I do not understand how you can get a decent hip throw from what you described. From your description it sounds like the position of A's hips are not "deep" enough to achieve a controlled lift that is required for the hip throw to work. If A's right leg is in front of B's left leg, with A's right arm around B's back, then A's hip will mostly make contact with B's left hip, which will allow B to move out of the throw very easily as there isn't much of anything blocking his hip. To make a hip throw work well from to starting position you describe you really have to shoot you hips deep so your hips are "basically" parallel to their's... that way they will find it harder to get out.
I don't train SC, I train Judo, Taiji and Bagua, but to answer your question, they all make minute adjustments in relation to the direction of the opponents force. We train this in all sorts of cooperative to non-cooperative practices.