Square, Circle, Triangle

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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby WVMark on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:53 am

C.J.Wang wrote:The relationships between triangle, square, and circle are considered "indoor" material. They are not as simple as externally visible movement patterns.


Can you explain that a bit more?

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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby I am... on Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:40 pm

That is a pretty fascinating take on it :)
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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby WVMark on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:02 pm

Hi Tom!
Hope things are going good with you. Yeah, I read that section. :) Ellis book has some fascinating tidbits.
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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby neijia_boxer on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:47 pm

over analyzing the circle, triangle, square theory is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. :P
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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby johnwang on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:40 pm

C.J.Wang wrote:The relationships between triangle, square, and circle are considered "indoor" material. They are not as simple as externally visible movement patterns.

Only "internal" guys like to talk about such abstract stuff. :P

You have to be careful when I change my triangle into square. The moment that I change my square into a circle, you had better run like hell.
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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby Darth Rock&Roll on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:46 pm

They are basic and primitive shapes which can convey the very foundations of concepts ranging far and wide.
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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby SPJ on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:51 pm

neijia_boxer wrote:over analyzing the circle, triangle, square theory is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. :P


yes.

1. there are big, small and then no apparent circles. at first level, we practice big circular moves. at second level, we practice them smaller. in the end, we still have circular moves but not as easily seen.

2. there are theories and practice of twin circles.

3. there are also theories and practice of random circles.

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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby Daniel-san on Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:39 am

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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby Ian on Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:37 am

Daniel-san wrote:A circle contains an infinite number of triangles, ie. any 3 points on the circumference of the circle form a triangle.


A circle also contains an infinite number of squares.

And a triangle can also contain an infinte amount of circles, if you make them small enough.

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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby RobP2 on Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:14 am

I prefer spirals. Triangle square and circle are all 2 dimensional

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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby C.J.Wang on Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:30 am

In Chinese ancient texts, square and circle, or "fang yuan," is a term used to encompass the shape of every form found between heaven and earth. Think of square as linearity, directness, and solidity while circle represents curve, indirectness, and neutralization. So the interaction of square and circle can represent many things from overall fighting strategy down to minute details in body usage.

As for triangle, although I've heard different interpretations on its underlying meaning, it's mostly about the relationship between the body and the two arms based on what I've been taught.

I know this all sounds kind of philosophical, but if you manage to find a teacher who understands and can demonstrate these ideas martially, they become quite clear.
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Re: Square, Circle, Triangle

Postby Bob on Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:38 am

Baji view a la Liu Yun Qiao/Tony Yang---Square = structure of the postures--height and horizonatal extension of the body forms the square. Circle---roundness of the kua and back. Triangle = the power, the positioning and alignment of the arms and legs to form a triangle---characteristic baji posture.

Put together is the power and structure of the baji posture.
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