the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

Unless I am being improbably simple, I think that is exactly what is being said in the (below) youtube link- though there are no dates. This will be extremely interesting. Finally, a pretty high level Bagua practitioner in a MMA bout. It's all quite speculative, of course, but even with Duff's wrestling background, and a restrictive ruleset, I envisage this being a first round KO for BT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KafPZP0-FAo

should be fun to watch. you can see that BT has slimmed down some too.

It's a good idea.

Good luck to BT.

I hope he realizes how important conditioning is for sport fighting. The better conditioned fighter will almost always win. If I had to train for MMA fighting I would list the priorities as Conditioning->Focus/will->Skill/technique->Speed->Strength

I look forward to seeing this match.

cool ...

man, I would love to fight bill duff! and then discuss MA with him over a beer afterwards. I bet he has some cool stories to tell.

I'd like to take on the Dalai Lama in a cage match ... pretty sure his robes would get in the way and allow me some kind of entry technique for the ultimate take down.

Syd wrote:I'd like to take on the Dalai Lama in a cage match ... pretty sure his robes would get in the way and allow me some kind of entry technique for the ultimate take down.

He would win. After you beat him, all your bad karma would kill you and reincarnate you as a beatle (not John Lennon either... You would probably come back as Ringo).

mixjourneyman wrote:

Syd wrote:I'd like to take on the Dalai Lama in a cage match ... pretty sure his robes would get in the way and allow me some kind of entry technique for the ultimate take down.

He would win. After you beat him, all your bad karma would kill you and reincarnate you as a beatle (not John Lennon either... You would probably come back as Ringo).

Let me get this straight ... I get to come back as Ringo IF I lose? So if that means being buddies with Marc Bolan and marrying Barbara Bach again, I can live with that. More than likely The Lama would have some Steve Segal moves that Steve taught him whilst they hung out in an Onsen and that would be my downfall.

How about a Parisian cage match with Charlise Theron and a HUGE tub of butter?









oh sorry...back on thread....Goodluck to all....

Excellent.
Best of luck to them; that's a cool endeavor.

thats cool and all but if the point is to prove his effectiveness against mma fighters shouldn't he fight an mma fighter? i'm not trying to be critical of him but duff is a tv personality and ex-football player. am i thinking of the wrong bill duff here?

DeusTrismegistus wrote:I hope he realizes how important conditioning is for sport fighting. The better conditioned fighter will almost always win. If I had to train for MMA fighting I would list the priorities as Conditioning->Focus/will->Skill/technique->Speed->Strength

conditioning never replaces skill.

jpaton wrote:thats cool and all but if the point is to prove his effectiveness against mma fighters shouldn't he fight an mma fighter? i'm not trying to be critical of him but duff is a tv personality and ex-football player. am i thinking of the wrong bill duff here?

you must not have watched the clip. he specifically says he's not out to prove anything. he just wants to bring CMA back to the old school when there were a lot more fighters.

ashe wrote:

DeusTrismegistus wrote:I hope he realizes how important conditioning is for sport fighting. The better conditioned fighter will almost always win. If I had to train for MMA fighting I would list the priorities as Conditioning->Focus/will->Skill/technique->Speed->Strength

conditioning never replaces skill.

jpaton wrote:thats cool and all but if the point is to prove his effectiveness against mma fighters shouldn't he fight an mma fighter? i'm not trying to be critical of him but duff is a tv personality and ex-football player. am i thinking of the wrong bill duff here?

you must not have watched the clip. he specifically says he's not out to prove anything. he just wants to bring CMA back to the old school when there were a lot more fighters.

I have to beg to differ on that one. Conditioning replaces skill almost all of the time. When one begins to feel tired, skill is the first thing to go out the window.

From various boxing resources:

"The number one thing on your list should be conditioning. Boxing is 80% conditioning. You cannot even throw the most perfect punch in the world if you are too tired to let it go. So let's start pounding the pavement ASAP"

"What are the essential things to do to get a good training program going. While I do have a trainer, I would like to know if there was more I can do. For example should I do conditioning, Heavy bag, mit work, etc... How would you train an aspiring amateur fighter?

What seperates most fighters is their conditioning. It is the most essential part of the routine. In order to rise above the rest of the class you have to put the extra time in on your own. I would want my fighter to come in 3 days a week. We would focus on punching technique, hand position, footwork, head movement, combinations, blocking, excercises and eventually sparing. Later we would start talking and using strategies and tricks of the trade. I would expect our time to be used for mostly learning. I do not like to spend our time together conditioning because we only have a couple of hours and it's silly for me to watch a guy run or jump rope for 30 minutes. This should be done on your own. And I will know if your doing it or not when you spar."

Betting on not having to rely on conditioning in a fight is in the same vein as betting we are not ever going to be taken down, or that the person is never going to use a weapon, and ignoring that part of our training. It only takes being wrong one time before we are in trouble, if we actually want to use our arts under stress. If we are aware of this, we can at least make an informed choice.