IMA - EMA - MMA

Discussion on the three big Chinese internals, Yiquan, Bajiquan, Piguazhang and other similar styles.

Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby SPJ on Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:16 pm

you may stress your internal training methods.

you may stress your external training methods.

and then you mix them together.

there is internal in your external. there is external in your internal.



after the mix up. there is no difference.
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby johnwang on Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:21 pm

SPJ wrote:there is external in your internal.

You are using your hot face to touch others cold ass. They don't want your external in their "internal". They want to be "pure blood", and they don't want to be "mud blood". If you train EMA, you are a Muggle and they will hunt you down when they control the power.
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they will introduce tension and forge a different sort of "energy" or "body" from that which Taijiquan seeks as its ideal.
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby Dmitri on Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:49 am

johnwang wrote:You are using your hot face to touch others cold ass.

JW -- as quoteworthy as ever!! ;D ;D -bow-
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby Ben on Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:08 am

"Better" is a relative term and it just depends on how your looking at it.

I think a lot of time when someone says IMA or EMA is better they really mean its better for them, meaning it fits what they are looking for more than something else.

I also think they often make the error in thinking that what is better for them is better for everyone else. Its a pretty common mistake to make as a human.
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby SPJ on Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:15 am

yes. in the beginning, we may focus on a certain aspect of the training or practice.

in the end, your internal practice will help your external aspect.

gang rou xiang ji 刚柔相济 the way of hardness and the way of gentleness/softness compliment each other.

the title of the music video is ni nong wo nong 你侬我侬

the lyric was based on a poem from yuan dynasty

in the beginning, there is you and there is me.

just like a mud clay, we mix both together. there is me in you. there is you in me.

we reshape the mud clay, we make again the shape of you and the shape of me.

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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby SPJ on Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:29 pm



bob dylan is yang. joan baez is yin

the grand harmony of both yin and yang = tai chi.

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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby johnwang on Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:51 pm

Only people like you and I that came from Taiwan, over 50 years old, and had cross training experience, can agree that "There is internal inside external, and there is external inside internal".
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby SPJ on Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:56 pm



soft singing from a girl group



strong singing from none other than the king.

it is the same song.

the same posture/move, we may practice focusing on the soft part

we may practice focusing the hard part.

peng lu ji an are softness

cai lie zhao kao are hardness.

lao jia yi lu is focusing on softness and continuing. we practice slowly.

lao jia er lu is focusing on hardness and abruptness. we practice fast.

both routines have the same body structure/frame/jia zi. however, the ending moves or ding shi are "different". actually right before the ending moves are different.

we practice both.

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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby edededed on Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:35 pm

I have not studied taijiquan or EMA long enough so I cannot say for these, but baguazhang and xingyiquan have both internal and external methods - it is rather hard to be effective if you only do soft without hard.
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby Dmitri on Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:12 am

edededed wrote:...have both internal and external methods - it is rather hard to be effective if you only do soft without hard.

"internal" = "soft" and "external" = "hard"? :-/
I don't think so.

Man this is so utterly BTDT... :-X
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby SPJ on Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:17 am

yes. binary categorizations are with 2 reference points.

the truth or practice are in the middle or between the 2 points.

the first music video is performed by one hundred member chorus.

seeking the harmony between 2 or among one hundred.

hundred just means many and many.

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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby edededed on Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:56 pm

Not the same, but more people understand hard and soft.
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby Dmitri on Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:48 am

edededed wrote:Not the same, but more people understand hard and soft.

Well, that's sort of like saying that quantum physics are like arithmetics, I mean, they're not the same, but more people understand arithmetics, so there ya go. :)
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Re: IMA - EMA - MMA

Postby DeusTrismegistus on Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:24 am

I think I would actually say hard and soft is a good characterization of Internal for external for a beginner. Reason being the softness must be practiced and relaxation attained to a high enough level to begin to see the other aspects of the internal arts.
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