Spirituality, Health, and Training to Fight

[Hank Fist]

Spirits don't exist.
Martial Arts are physics.
Art is the appreciation of the exceptional.

[Daniel]

Brilliant. Glad to have cleared that up. Now the thread is done.


D.

Sarcasm. Oh yeah, like that´ll work.

[DeusTrismegistus]

"I can't tell you that your experience is wrong any more than you can tell me that my experience is wrong."

Here's something for honest inquiry: why not? I don't remember that written anywhere. You basically do and then say "I can't and you can't" which is funny to me. So why not?

I said that I think your paradigm is erroneous and that is my opinion based on my experience. I never said your experience is wrong. Experience cannot be wrong as it is beyond that kind of attribution yet it is something people do all the time. My experience is not the same as your experience and it is impossible for me to not only KNOW anything about anyone's experience but it is impossible for me to KNOW anything outside of my own experience. Telling someone their experience is wrong is not only erroneous but it is also just rude. Your Way will not be the same as my Way and just because the Way I travel works for me does not mean it will work for anyone else.

"Are you claiming that someone would have to do something working directly with their spirit to be doing something spiritual?"

Um. Duh. But then again, as we've been around and around this, I doubt people even know where to begin with "working directly with their spirit". As we've been around and around this, to most this just means something to do with the faculty, latent or not, of their soul, ie, mind.

Now I gave several examples of things working directly with the three aspects of spirit that are outlined in the link you provided on page 5(? i think). You haven't said whether you think those things are working directly with the spirit or not. So are they?

So since you have asked everyone else to provide examples of working with the spirit and no one appears to have done so to your satisfaction why don't you provide an example of working directly with the spirit.

[DeusTrismegistus]

Spirits don't exist.
Martial Arts are physics.
Art is the appreciation of the exceptional.

Spirits exist.
Martial arts are expressions of the self.
Art is the expression of the unseen via physical media (sound or sight).

[paranoidandroid]

I think you mean by spirit something like ?...?

Meanings of spirit: mood, soul, courage, ghosts, energy, character
Spirts exists: Ghosts exists, souls exists, courage exists, energy exists, character exists.
courage, energy, character and mood etc. are abstracta. But tHey do exist in the sense that the have an impact in our world.
ghosts and soul do not exist and have no real impact in our world(other than a fiction can have impact on the world).
If anyone means by spiritua,l one of the exististing ones, there can be a spiritual work.
If anyone means by spiritual, one the non existings ones, there can be no spiritual work.
Can we all agree?

[Syena]

No, the soul definitely exists. And as for ghosts, why not?

Angelo

[DeusTrismegistus]

I think you mean by spirit something like ?...?

Meanings of spirit: mood, soul, courage, ghosts, energy, character
Spirts exists: Ghosts exists, souls exists, courage exists, energy exists, character exists.
courage, energy, character and mood etc. are abstracta. But tHey do exist in the sense that the have an impact in our world.
ghosts and soul do not exist and have no real impact in our world(other than a fiction can have impact on the world).
If anyone means by spiritua,l one of the exististing ones, there can be a spiritual work.
If anyone means by spiritual, one the non existings ones, there can be no spiritual work.
Can we all agree?

Have you ever been on the internet? Agreeing, on the internet? You might as well ask Russia to stop drinking vodka, or OSU to stop being awesome at football.

Anyways we cannot agree as some of us do believe in ghosts and souls.

[somatai]

as if there were really any of the following, soul, mind,spirit, as if they were "things" that could be known, as if they could be separated and shown without contingency......."not two"

[wiesiek]

re:
So I'll ask you then, what's the difference between the soul and the mind?
as
zen master nicelly explained it:
IF you think difference there IS difference

but, wait if soul =spiryt...
hmm
if i remember it right from the hig school it can be 98-99% pure,
Absolute is 100%
however,
when you open up the bottle imidedly absorbs water and isn`t absolute any more...

[Chris Fleming]

"Experience cannot be wrong"

It sure can.

"Telling someone their experience is wrong is not only erroneous but it is also just rude."

All kinds of people sit at the feet of some goo-roo or another who tells them that they are either on the right path or wrong path and what their "experiences" mean. I would love to meet the person who would then apply your philosophy of "you can't tell me I'm wrong" or even better "who are you to say I'm mistaken" in such an instance.

"Now I gave several examples of things working directly with the three aspects of spirit that are outlined in the link you provided on page 5(? i think). You haven't said whether you think those things are working directly with the spirit or not. So are they?"

It's not on page 5 but I somewhat remember a response from you after the link...and I believe I replied. There may have been more but if I didn't address it its because I found your questions to be somewhat unclear and like gibberish. This isn't meant to be insulting but when it is clear to me that there is word-smithing going on (which you do not do as a habitual practice like others on RSF) I tend to just move on. Care to be more clear? And if I did answer your examples in the future, would you really be satisfied with any answer of any kind except the one you already have?

[Chris Fleming]

re:
So I'll ask you then, what's the difference between the soul and the mind?
as
zen master nicelly explained it:
IF you think difference there IS difference

but, wait if soul =spiryt...
hmm
if i remember it right from the hig school it can be 98-99% pure,
Absolute is 100%
however,
when you open up the bottle imidedly absorbs water and isn`t absolute any more...

You wrote:

"ie, soul+mind+body in one"

and then said "if you think there is a difference there is a difference". Which one is it? You are going to make an addition equation of something that can merely just be thought of as one? But that was my point to being with--you can't differentiate between the mind and the soul because they are the same thing. If you can, then please provide a clear definition, since you can quantify them as separate entities which can be added together. (P.S. your spelling and especially your clarity needs some work)

[D_Glenn]

Glenn,
That's a description of body "serious" or body "toughness," it is a dead end. High level internal arts make the body like a rotten tree stump and the heart like cold dead ashes--only the spirit becomes serious and tough.

Good lord.

For the record I completely disagree. Healthy body leads to healthy spirit.

We've seen your videos and by no means do I think you're a High level internal martial artist but I will agree with you that your body does indeed look like "a rotten tree stump" and your power is like "cold dead ashes".

You should seriously think about getting through this going on what? 2-3 decade period where your power is "weak as shit" and actually try to do some real martial arts.

At Your age you're verging on becoming a lost cause.

You also do a lot of speaking in your videos, now I'm no TCM doctor, but I think you may have some Shen Disturbances.

And if you're putting yourself up as an example of someone who's attained some high level of spiritual development then without a doubt I will continue to do the exact opposite of whatever you describe. Actually in some ass-backwards way you can teach us something.



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[lazyboxer]

Glenn,
That's a description of body "serious" or body "toughness," it is a dead end. High level internal arts make the body like a rotten tree stump and the heart like cold dead ashes--only the spirit becomes serious and tough.

A man carried a monkey about for a shew, & because he was a little wiser than the monkey, grew vain, and conciev'd himself as much wiser than seven men.

[DeusTrismegistus]

"Experience cannot be wrong"

It sure can.

"Telling someone their experience is wrong is not only erroneous but it is also just rude."

All kinds of people sit at the feet of some goo-roo or another who tells them that they are either on the right path or wrong path and what their "experiences" mean. I would love to meet the person who would then apply your philosophy of "you can't tell me I'm wrong" or even better "who are you to say I'm mistaken" in such an instance.

"Now I gave several examples of things working directly with the three aspects of spirit that are outlined in the link you provided on page 5(? i think). You haven't said whether you think those things are working directly with the spirit or not. So are they?"

It's not on page 5 but I somewhat remember a response from you after the link...and I believe I replied. There may have been more but if I didn't address it its because I found your questions to be somewhat unclear and like gibberish. This isn't meant to be insulting but when it is clear to me that there is word-smithing going on (which you do not do as a habitual practice like others on RSF) I tend to just move on. Care to be more clear? And if I did answer your examples in the future, would you really be satisfied with any answer of any kind except the one you already have?

Only a guru who doesn't know what he is doing or is just a showman out for money tries to tell others what their experiences mean. The fact that people get slick talked and conned by people pretending to have spiritual development in no way invalidates my point. There is no one who can tell you that your experience is wrong. I can not tell a child who fell off their bike that they didn't actually fall off their bike. The content of the experience does not change that essence of experience. Experience is merely a word denoting that someone has perceived, felt, seen, heard, lived through something. You can disagree over what the content of an experience is or means but you can never say that it was wrong, experiences simply are.

As to the specific things I actually asked that last page. I understand the confusion but I re-read your link on tripartite man and saw a link to spirit which I hadn't read before.

If so by your definition and the link you provided any time you make a conscience decision on whether something is right or wrong that is spiritual, or whenever you pray to god in the christian manner, or whenever you intuitively know something.

Those are three things that if I understand you right would fit the definition of spirit in the link.
This is the link I am referring to.
http://www.tripartiteman.org/definition/soul.html

As to the actual answers you provide I am interested. I try to expand my understanding of these subjects from whatever sources I can.

[kshurika]

And the winners are...................................




PENN AND TELLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!