Classical Chinese Medicine

[yeniseri]

The is a link pertaining to Classical Chinese Medicine. One aspect of it.

Main page
http://www.classicalchinesemedicine.org/


One of the better views on Daoist qigong practice. Do the "gong"
http://www.classicalchinesemedicine.org ... st-qigong/
Enjoy!

[Michael]

Cool site. Thanks for posting.

[IMAS]

The is a link pertaining to Classical Chinese Medicine. One aspect of it.

Main page
http://www.classicalchinesemedicine.org/


One of the better views on Daoist qigong practice. Do the "gong"
http://www.classicalchinesemedicine.org ... st-qigong/
Enjoy!

Is Yijinjing a Daoist qigong or Daoist also practice Yijinjing?

[yeniseri]

No worries!
It appears to be that man's Yijinjing that has been passed on to him. Any affiliation thereof is secondary and incidental. I would say look beyond Daoist, Buddhist, etc and hear the process by which some degree of 'benefit" is realized by personal practice.

[yeniseri]

Systematic Review of Baduanjin in modulating Lipid Metabolism
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2012/282131/

[IMAS]

The problem is that Yi Jin Jing and Ba Duan Jin are different exercises, as one is focus on static stretching and the other is on dynamic stretching. The black box approach in research does not yield proper results because there is no control variable to bring out the uniqueness of these exercises. It is like researches in Taijiquan as there is no different to walking at 6 km per hour in terms of the heart rate, etc.

[yeniseri]

The problem is that Yi Jin Jing and Ba Duan Jin are different exercises, as one is focus on static stretching and the other is on dynamic stretching. The black box approach in research does not yield proper results because there is no control variable to bring out the uniqueness of these exercises. It is like researches in Taijiquan as there is no different to walking at 6 km per hour in terms of the heart rate, etc.

Proof of concept studies rarely needs a control variable though having a control is a good start. Pre Phase 1-IIIb/4a looks at relevance, tests hypotheses and from that, actual Phase 1 may begin to develop since a positive outcome was observed. For purposes of a clinical trial, it is always best to state and explain terms because there will be confusion. Regarding the statement that Yijinjing as being static stretching and Baduanjin as dynamic stretching, one would definately have to do some explaing as to why since I am sure there are studies that say the exact opposite so full disclosure on why and how, will be scrutinized!
Tables 2, 3 and 4, shows pooled results i.e. Baduanjin with other regimen and with corresponding controls
Section 4. Discussion describes in plain terms other regimen and there are references showing the specific corresponding links!

The statement that there is no difference between doing taijiquan and walking 6km per hour doesn't tell the whole story! The stance height does determine heart rate but state of healh is also a variable.

[Kevin_Wallbridge]

"The materials presented in this section seek to foster awareness about the multi-dimensional depth of Chinese medicine, as well as the political mechanisms that seek to homogenize, standardize, and effectively limit these time-honored resources in the TCM model. The intention of these articles is to inspire a reevaluation of the direction and the fundamental convictions that we set for ourselves, both as providers and recipients of Oriental medicine. Otherwise, the natural beauty and profundity of Chinese medicine and other ancient medical traditions may quietly fade away, and we may become thoroughly entrapped in the spiritless mechanisms of state agencies, insurance companies, and most of all, our modern mind that has been conditioned to fancy a linear and uniform approach to all aspects of knowledge."

I have seen these kind of arguments again and again as critiques of the clinical style of Chinese medicine. Its a bit like the anti-Wushu crusade in TCMA, "they are ruining it!" A couple of things, the first is that Chinese medicine is not in as much danger as many seem to argue. The standardization of clinical methodology gives a good baseline for practitioners to begin from. Which leads to the other issue, that homogenization and standardization are somehow new forces threatening Chinese medicine. Its part of an ongoing process that began in 443 (1570 years ago) with the establishment of the Imperial Bureau of Medicine. This idea that "the Communists broke Chinese medicine and we need to fix it," is just a revisionist fantasy laden with a political agenda.

One of the real difficulties is people coming out of Chinese medicine school thinking they are done school. I agree with the "classical" advocates that if all there was to Chinese medicine was lab coats and hospitals something would be lost, yet the classics are still there, they are still studied and discussed, and plenty of old style mentoring is being done.

What really bugs me about sites like this is the fear-mongering style of "soon it will all be lost," and I think its bullshit. Sure, offer the alternative to the scientific and clinical methodology, but don't say its not Chinese medicine. Science hasn't diluted Chinese medicine any more than its diluted Traditional Chinese Martial Arts, it complements and informs. The classics are still there and people still study them, even in hospital settings in China. Just as the Imperial Bureau of Medicine divided Chinese medicine into departments, so it is today. The Song dynasty saw a fracturing of approaches, specializations and schools of thought that was far more threatening to the core of Chinese medicine than "scientific materialism" ever will be, yet it survived that and became much richer in the process.

Its not what they are doing that I don't like, its how they are doing it and the way that they frame the state of Chinese medicine.

[IMAS]

5. Conclusions

In conclusion, we can hold that Baduanjin exercise comparing with no treatment could modulate the blood lipid profile by decreasing plasma TC, TG, and LDL-C levels and increasing plasma HDL-C levels of the participants. Comparing with other exercises, this obvious advantage was not found on the Baduanjin exercise modulating the lipid metabolism. However, the conclusions were uncertain because of the low-methodically quality in the included studies. So it currently needs to be one ongoing large sample size and high-quality prospective controlled trials, which can be testifying the effectiveness of Baduanjin exercise. As far as the definite benefits of Baduanjin exercise have been confirmed, it can be applied broadly throughout the community.

[IMAS]

The statement that there is no difference between doing taijiquan and walking 6km per hour doesn't tell the whole story! The stance height does determine heart rate but state of healh is also a variable.

This is what I mean, there are too many variables that are not control or standardized and it is not possible to bring out any valid result. You do not need any test to know that it is better to be active in doing exercise then not active.

[IMAS]

I have a problem with Yi Jin Jing and Ba Duan Jin exercises, as I think it is not good for practitioners to put their heads below their heart levels.

[yeniseri]

Per your respone, sample size was too small to detect a significant statistical benefit. AN earlier statement...

In the current paper, studies tested that Baduanjin exercise for healthy adults were also observed to decrease plasma TC, TG, LDL-C levels, and increase plasma HDL-C levels comparing with the blank control.

. Translation, healthy subjects MAY see a benefit but that will not necessarily help those who have hypercholerterolemia and simialr conditions, who will need intervention consisting of combination therapy of dietary chenage(s), medication and increased physical exercise!

[yeniseri]

Another link to a system called waitangong, popular in Taiwan and Malaysia
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... 11-546.pdf

[IMAS]

Another link to a system called waitangong, popular in Taiwan and Malaysia
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... 11-546.pdf

So it is the same, it is better to be active then not active.

Try this reference:

Hong Y, Li JX, The biomechanics study on Tai Chi: A review. Sports Biomechanics, 2007, 6(3):453-464. It was concluded that there is no comprehensive and quantitative basis for understanding the mechanisms of Tai Chi to address why Tai chi is a better exercise.

[yeniseri]

Your referene is a good one since the caveats per conclusions are present. When I see or hear the biomechanics of taijiquan mention, my automatic thoughts are that it will be used for those with cardiovascular abnormalities or circulatory and balance problems. Taijiquan has shown some benefit for many but it does not imply that everyone who tries it, will get an immediate benefit. It has shown excellent statistical results for QOL subjective feedback.