Real Muay Thai in MMA

[Ian]

Awesome

[.Q.]

His footwork flowed so well.

[Ian]

Really enjoyed the knees TKO, heavy shots + sprawl, and kicking while making punches miss.

Lots of conditional spars to work on.

[cloudz]

What do you mean Ian by "conditional spars" :
isolation sparring drills ?

Give us some examples if that's ok with you.

thanks

[Ian]

E.g.

-A goes for any takedown, B defends takedowns and counter-strikes
-A maintains guard, sweeps, submits, B passes
-A maintains side control and hunts for armbars only, B escapes

Occupies the space between drilling and full sparring.

Credit goes to Steve Morris and BJJ.

[middleway]

Conditional sparring is my favorite type currently. Big BJJ but know that some IMA groups also do that sort of stuff.

[cloudz]

I call them isolation sparring drills or just sparring drills, not that familiar with that term but cool it makes sense/ is what I suspected. As long as I am aware we are talking the same things effectively. As to who you credit, ok thanks for that information.

[cloudz]

MT is interesting.. Do you do much clinch work against a barrier/ wall/ cage in your system ?

[marvin8]

E.g.

-A goes for any takedown, B defends takedowns and counter-strikes
-A maintains guard, sweeps, submits, B passes
-A maintains side control and hunts for armbars only, B escapes

Occupies the space between drilling and full sparring.

Credit goes to Steve Morris and BJJ.

IMO, I would include setups, traps, strategies (internal/external) and transitions (standup <> ground). Chain combinations to get opponent reactions and counter. Here’s sort of an example in groundwork.

Published on Aug 21, 2013:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk4vPPFtLCA

I would use the same concept in standup, as well.

Besides Steve Morris, other top MMA trainers include Greg Jackson, Mike Winkeljohn, Firas Zahabi, Rafael Cordeiro, Matt Hume, John Kavanagh, Cesar Gracie, Ray Longo, Duke Rufus, and Javier Mendez.

[dspyrido]

Yes he's awesome. Definitely enhanced mt by extending the grappling.

Note that onefc allows kicks on the ground. Can really mess someone up.

If they added strikes to the back to the head then it would be very dangerous to miss on a shoot. But that's one rule that is a good rule for comps.

[Ian]

MT is interesting.. Do you do much clinch work against a barrier/ wall/ cage in your system ?

No, only ring.

Yeah, isolation sparring / conditional sparring / whatever you want to call it is super useful.

IMO, I would include setups, traps, strategies (internal/external) and transitions (standup <> ground). Chain combinations to get opponent reactions and counter. Here’s sort of an example in groundwork.

That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about sparring where each person has an intentionally limited number of goals / tools / responses.

[marvin8]

IMO, I would include setups, traps, strategies (internal/external) and transitions (standup <> ground). Chain combinations to get opponent reactions and counter. Here’s sort of an example in groundwork.

That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about sparring where each person has an intentionally limited number of goals / tools / responses.

E.g.

-A goes for any takedown, B defends takedowns and counter-strikes
-A maintains guard, sweeps, submits, B passes
-A maintains side control and hunts for armbars only, B escapes

Occupies the space between drilling and full sparring.

Credit goes to Steve Morris and BJJ.

Ian, sorry. I mistakenly thought you can integrate those skills in with the conditional sparring. Now, I think I understand better. To take your example, "-A goes for any takedown, B defends takedowns and counter-strikes," A does the takedown attacks which gives you (B) the opportunity to practice several (or all) of your defensive moves and counters, which you may not encounter in normal sparring.

Reading an older rumsoakedfist post, http://rumsoakedfist.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2937&start=60&st=0&sk=t&sd=a, Steve Morris’ training program under II. Drills, includes “C. Chain Drills.” Under III. Fighting Methods, it includes, “A. Playfighting” and “B. Conditional Sparring.” I imagine the setups, traps, strategies (internal/external) and transitions (standup <> ground) would fall under Playfighting. We have drills for technique. I think we should have strategy drills and sparring, too. Push hands is one strategy drill with contact. IMO, we should drill strategy in medium and long range, as well.

I guess the "Conditional sparring" would be more technique oriented and the “Playfighting” would be more strategy oriented. IMO, both types of sparring are important.

In my initial reply, I was thinking of Bruce Frantzis. To paraphrase him, every move in Tai Chi combines and integrates Peng, Lu, Ji and An, which is essentially a strategy. I don’t know if his statement is true or not. Excerpt from http://www.energyarts.com/offer/old-yan ... hi-edition:

5. 13 Tai Chi Principles or Energies: There are eight primary energies used in tai chi and we will look at how these manifest within the tai chi form. All movements in tai chi are composed of permutations of these eight building blocks, as they continuously combine, separate, and recombine during each individual posture and transitional move. Initially we will focus on Peng, Lu, Ji and An and you will learn how each move integrates and combines these. Later in the course we will look at the remaining 5 which relate to the footwork methodology of tai chi and are responsible for moving the feet and body's center smoothly and with stability.

[Rabbit]

Those knees
Youch!!!