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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby Interloper on Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:33 pm

willie wrote: (snip)
I'm purposely avoiding the other woo woo video's that I seen, because we all know where that goes already.
So, could you tell me about this one?


What he's doing is real and legitimate.

Here is my aikijujutsu sensei, Salahuddin Muhammad:



Same basic principles for the most part, (and a few more that are not part of Daito Ryu Kodokai), different expression. He is doing henka waza -- free-form expressions of the principles and techniques of the art.

What I wrote to Trick in my previous post about what you "should be able to do if you have aiki" might answer your questions. It's difficult to see "internals" in videos, but there are some cues if you are already versed in internal training. In the video I posted, large "nami" (waves" are intentionally being shown so people can observe the effect. watch for the partner's spine being waved in all directions. That can also be done with a "pulse" ... waves so small that you can't see them, but the shock effect is explosive on the body receiving it. That is just one of a number of ways in which aiki is employed. Spiraling force, suctions and propulsions, are some of the others, and there are also many nuanced variations on those themes.
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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby willie on Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:01 pm

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Here is my aikijujutsu sensei, Salahuddin Muhammad:


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Your Sensei looks very interesting.
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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby Interloper on Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:35 pm

willie wrote:Your Sensei looks very interesting.


He is using all of the mechanisms of dantian, mingmen, kua, etc. that you would find in high-level Chinese internal arts. Six-directional force is the baseline condition, and it is a matter of manipulating that force in many different ways to achieve different effects in martial application. It is in the martial applications that the stylistic differences are evident among these various arts, both Chinese and Japanese.

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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby willie on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:10 am

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willie wrote:Your Sensei looks very interesting.


He is using all of the mechanisms of dantian, mingmen, kua, etc. that you would find in high-level Chinese internal arts. Six-directional force is the baseline condition, and it is a matter of manipulating that force in many different ways to achieve different effects in martial application. It is in the martial applications that the stylistic differences are evident among these various arts, both Chinese and Japanese.


There appears to be a lot of Tai Chi influence in his style. I believe that I have said this before and your reply was no if I'm not mistaken? But a lot of the applications that he is working off of are from Chen Style. It appears that they have been altered a little bit for his purposes. As in the cover picture of that video itself. That is him kneeling down but at the same time he is applying single whip. It appears that he is using some Dantian in his applications, I did not see any evidence of the higher-level use of the Dantian. But of course it is just a demo. I like what he's doing, it's pretty cool
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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby jaime_g on Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:46 am

Really good daito ryu uses silk reeling and dantian
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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby willie on Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:46 am

jaime_g wrote:Really good daito ryu uses silk reeling and dantian

Cool, do you have any video's of silk reeling and dantian usage from early Aikijujutsu, as proof?

To me higher level dantian usage is a bit complex to even speak about, but it is not simply turning the body or just
connecting the upper and lower body as described in a different thread.

higher lever dantian use is the ability to create explosive power in the form of fajin. This requires extensive guidance to acquire.
It requires that all area's of taichi are there first.
You must have qi or it is not fajin, it would be more like fali.
You must use the bows of the body in correct timing with the dantain.
You must be able to augment/ovalize and create bows in the area of the dantian.
You must be able to gather energy.
You must be able to use your internal organs to power the art. "this is the highest level of internal"
This is taichi.

The dantian is the engine. The form just an extension/expression of that power.
This is me practicing Xinja. You should be able to see the augmentation/gathering phase just before the jin is released.



For the purpose of comparison, I added this very old video of me before I had higher level dantian usage or short power.

The reason why I posted these video's is because interlooper had stated the higher level usage of the dantian, which is not
apparent in "None" of the Aikijujutsu video's that i have seen so far.
In-fact there is ton's of broken/un-powered applications in all of those video's.
Not that this is a Problem, some arts are powered like that.
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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby Interloper on Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:15 pm

willie wrote:There appears to be a lot of Tai Chi influence in his style. I believe that I have said this before and your reply was no if I'm not mistaken? But a lot of the applications that he is working off of are from Chen Style. It appears that they have been altered a little bit for his purposes. As in the cover picture of that video itself. That is him kneeling down but at the same time he is applying single whip. It appears that he is using some Dantian in his applications, I did not see any evidence of the higher-level use of the Dantian. But of course it is just a demo. I like what he's doing, it's pretty cool


Hi willie,

Salahuddin Muhammad had only one aikijujutsu teacher, the late Okazaki Shuji, who was a direct deshi of Yoshida Kotaro (Daito Ryu), as well as of several koryu (old school, classical) Japanese martial arts. The art is an amalgamation of Kukishin Ryu (weapons), Takagi Ryu (bodyguard practical system), Kosen judo (for ne waza/ground grappling).

There were some other influences, but those four arts are the principle ones, and it was Yoshida's Daito Ryu that provided the foundational aiki. Because Okazaki Sensei was a seeker and martial scientist, always refining and improving his skills, It's very possible that he met Chinese internal martial artists and had some kind of exchange.
Muhammad Sensei started training at age 9 with Okazaki (before that, he had trained in jujutsu with another Japanese teacher, starting at age 6). He stayed with Okazaki until his teacher's death in 1991, at which time, Muhammad Sensei became the generational inheritor of the art. Okazaki had called his art Takagi Shin Ryu, but Muhammad Sensei retired the name and renamed it Hontai Hakkei Ryu to honor his teacher, because Okazaki Sensei had always referred to the explosive power of "hakkei" (transliteration of "fajin") that aiki generates.
It's interesting that the word "hakkei" is not one that you hear in Daito Ryu, and that it simply the Japanese word for "fajin" Daito ryu has this explosiveness, but I believe they use a term that is not taken from Chinese.

It's an interesting conundrum, because in the several years I have been training in HHR-AJJ, I have noted many similarities to the other internal art I study, which is a Chinese family art that has a very deep curriculum for developing the connected, internal body method. For that reason, the two arts are compatible with each other, despite their being very different in terms of outward expression and martial application.
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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby willie on Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:59 pm

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Hi willie,

Salahuddin Muhammad had only one aikijujutsu teacher, the late Okazaki Shuji, who was a direct deshi of Yoshida Kotaro (Daito Ryu), as well as of several koryu (old school, classical) Japanese martial arts. The art is an amalgamation of Kukishin Ryu (weapons), Takagi Ryu (bodyguard practical system), Kosen judo (for ne waza/ground grappling).

There were some other influences, but those four arts are the principle ones, and it was Yoshida's Daito Ryu that provided the foundational aiki. Because Okazaki Sensei was a seeker and martial scientist, always refining and improving his skills, It's very possible that he met Chinese internal martial artists and had some kind of exchange.
Muhammad Sensei started training at age 9 with Okazaki (before that, he had trained in jujutsu with another Japanese teacher, starting at age 6). He stayed with Okazaki until his teacher's death in 1991, at which time, Muhammad Sensei became the generational inheritor of the art. Okazaki had called his art Takagi Shin Ryu, but Muhammad Sensei retired the name and renamed it Hontai Hakkei Ryu to honor his teacher, because Okazaki Sensei had always referred to the explosive power of "hakkei" (transliteration of "fajin") that aiki generates.
It's interesting that the word "hakkei" is not one that you hear in Daito Ryu, and that it simply the Japanese word for "fajin" Daito ryu has this explosiveness, but I believe they use a term that is not taken from Chinese.

It's an interesting conundrum, because in the several years I have been training in HHR-AJJ, I have noted many similarities to the other internal art I study, which is a Chinese family art that has a very deep curriculum for developing the connected, internal body method. For that reason, the two arts are compatible with each other, despite their being very different in terms of outward expression and martial application.

Hi Cady. That sounds pretty impressive. As I said before, I don't know anything about aiki Jujutsu. But there is several very similar applications in Chen Style. The obvious ones being single whip and the ending posture of Pat the horse High, which he uses extensively. The other very interesting and very compatible similarities are the fact that he uses an extensive amount of flank positions. His execution of those flank positions is very similar to Chen. I must say that he does an Exquisite job of it as well, but it appears that he does not have the Gathering phase of the dantian. I have not seen the Gathering phase in any of Roy's or Dan's videos either. So perhaps it's just not part of that art.
But like I said, it's very cool, I like it.
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Re: Aiki Walk

Postby Interloper on Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:56 pm

willie --

I agree, it's not what you do in Chen style, but dantian ("tanden") work -- tanden-ho -- is part of this system, as well as soft-tissue (Yin/In tissue) absorption and re-direction of the opponent's force. What you do, is perhaps more in line with the fajin practiced in Zhong Xin Dao I Liq Chuan (the Chinese art I also study).

In a lot of his videos, he is teaching or demonstrating at a seminar, and is only showing certain levels or degrees of the processes. Some things are avoided or not show altogether, because it's not the purpose of the seminar, level of understanding of his audience, etc.

Not very overt or visible in this video, but there are some punches being delivered by a combination of dantian-mingmen combined with small, explosive movement from the kua (kai-he) and some other components. His punches and strikes are deeply concussive. IME, most aikijujutsu systems rely more on the "Yang/Yo" than the "Yin/In," in striking, but in this particular system, there is more Yin/In than I have seen in other systems of aikijujutsu.


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