Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby marvin8 on Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:30 pm

C.J.W. wrote:I like what this Australian teacher is showing here -- and his clips in general -- a lot. This is the sort of innovative thinking Taiji people need if they wish to apply Taiji in the ring, rather than training Sanda on the side and breaking it out when push comes to shoves like some of the Chenjiagou guys are doing.


Others have shown this same skill in demonstrations and push hands. So, I wouldn't call it innovative.

Watch the feeder, not the demonstrator. The guy (feeder) on the right with long pants is holding with tension. The next step should be to practice the same skill with more realistic reactions from the partner (feeder), before entering "the ring." Mark Rasmus may find this more difficult.

Sanda partner training simulates more realistic attacks (e.g., retraction of arms, movement, etc.). As a result, their movements in training tend to look the same in a fight.
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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby Bao on Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:53 pm

C.J.W. wrote:if you know what you are doing, a push can be turned into a vicious knock-out strike with speed and allowing the shoulders, elbows, and wrists to accelerate to decrease contact time with the target.
The path in which the "jin" travels is the same.


Better to consciously practice on a good punch so you have the confidence that it’s there when you need it.

And it’s better to adjust the mechanics for a punch. There’s a reason why an, Ji and peng has different names, they are three different jins, three different ways to arrange your body structure to establish jin.

Your power might come naturally when you need it, but you can establish far greater damaging power if you have consciously practiced it for a while.

For most people, they really need this kind of practice. Just put any Tai Chi practitioner against a sturdy bag. They can all do a “push” against it, but when they try to strike, many will tense up and have very little penetrative power. Some people won’t understand how to align the wrist and tense it or hurt it when they strike.

So if you believe that punches come naturally from pushing, that might be your own personal experience and might be true for you. But for my own experience working in classes with others and teaching classes, I don’t find it so simple for most people. Even if someone can issue a very powerful looking fajing push in open air it’s still not certain that he can translate that power into a sturdy bag. No, often it’s not that easy.
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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby wayne hansen on Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:53 am

Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby marvin8 on Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:36 am

C.J.W. wrote:Anyways, regarding the video. Your are definitely correct in saying that there are similarities between Taiji and boxing in terms of power generation -- heck, even a good baseball swing shares common ground with Taiji.

In this case, though, I'm more impressed with the DIFFERENCES the teacher shows, namely how to generate power against steady resistance and the multi-directional (6-harmony) nature of his strike. Those are the things average boxers don't do, at least from what I've seen.

Umm ... I replied after having watched the clip hours earlier. My earlier response still stands, in the end.

However, I forgot that Mark is showing: depending on which direction the feeder pushes, Mark counters with a particular punch—which is more than practicing "how to generate power against steady resistance and the multi-directional (6-harmony)."

Can you or anyone elaborate on what principle and differences you see Mark showing in the video?
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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby marvin8 on Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:51 am

wayne hansen wrote:https://youtu.be/7jIB3B1ygxs

This is better. However, there is more to holding pads than acting as a moving punching bag. High level pad holders (e.g., former champions) train principles, strategies,techniques, timing, etc. into the subconscious by feeding the partner realistic attacks and counters at the right moment.
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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby Overlord on Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:58 am

C.J.W. wrote:I like what this Australian teacher is showing here -- and his clips in general -- a lot. This is the sort of innovative thinking Taiji people need if they wish to apply Taiji in the ring, rather than training Sanda on the side and breaking it out when push comes to shoves like some of the Chenjiagou guys are doing.



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With CM, you don’t just interpret this passage as Unity but also the other way around Separation/ isolation.
分、合。

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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby taiwandeutscher on Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:24 pm

marvin8 wrote:
wayne hansen wrote:https://youtu.be/7jIB3B1ygxs

This is better. However, there is more to holding pads than acting as a moving punching bag. High level pad holders (e.g., former champions) train principles, strategies,techniques, timing, etc. into the subconscious by feeding the partner realistic attacks and counters at the right moment.


True that!
BTW, that is one of my teachers over here in Taiwan (Hulei TJQ), and the holding of pads with him is not really easy for us, but then, we are no former champions!
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Re: Boxing punches with Taiji body mechanics

Postby C.J.W. on Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:47 pm

Overlord wrote:CJW

With CM, you don’t just interpret this passage as Unity but also the other way around Separation/ isolation.
分、合。

Cheers.


分合 is actually a very important concept in the line of Bagua I do. My Bagua teacher would often refer to his art as 分合八卦。

I am by no means saying that what this Taiji teacher does is perfect or that it is also representative of my own practice. I just think it's a great effort and has good potential in terms of adapting Taiji for competitive ring fighting.
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