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nei jin video transcript

Postby everything on Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:15 pm

didn't bother posting the video, b/c these videos elicit the usual boring and unhelpful or ignorant comments. will post some automated transcript instead.

so we're building this these different
yinyang differentials openings and
closings in the body and coordinating
them up well connecting them up would be a better way to phrase
it which allows the qi to mobilize.
we're training the qi to mobilize through the silk body through certain
Pathways which are dictated by the variations of opening and closing right
and what is most conductive and stretched and stuff like
that...

now people misunderstand the method and think that the stretch is the
power that's a common mistake so they try to stretch to make power and it's an
understandable mistake it's a near enemy because stretching makes a kind of power a kind of external power right in a similar way when you're during the sinking phases descending and building pressure people often mistake the
pressure for the power once again it's a near enemy because the pressure makes a
kind of power yep but these are not the power the jin must come from
mobilization of qi that is it.

if it's
not coming from the mobilization of qi
it's not jin it's external
power. so we train the body the external
training to educate the qi how to move
inside. it's mudra
practice - practicing shape coordinating shapes moving between shapes so you know things close things
open in this kind of external way


- "near enemy of nei jin" video
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby windwalker on Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:53 pm

everything wrote:didn't bother posting the video, b/c these videos elicit the usual boring and unhelpful or ignorant comments.
will post some automated transcript instead.



- "near enemy of nei jin" video

Thought it was quite interesting....
His verbiage from my POV uses a little different understanding, he demos the same type of skill sets
as those I've met....

Good skill set...

His point of not feeling the energy, echos the training being able to train and use "emptiness"

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"The formation of the balloon involves the relaxed dispersal of spirit and intention, not the expansion of tendons, bones, and muscles.
The method of practicing with the balloon involves the dispersal of spirit and intention from the center outward, “loose, dispersed, and round.”
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby everything on Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:11 pm

the "this is a mistake" comments are helpful for me. stretching is not the power even if it feels powerful. sinking and "pressurizing" feels powerful in a different way. kind of tense and hold your breath and brace yourself feels "powerful" but definitely not "song". those kinds of states are common w/o needing to be interested in martial arts and easy to feel imho, so knowing "this isn't what you're trying to do" is nice as a kind of anti-guidepost type of comment. this balloon idea seems to be similar but more difficult for me to follow.
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby wayne hansen on Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:58 pm

Should non video be in the video section
Am I missing some Zen Koan
Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby Trick on Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:18 pm

Talk about boring - that transcript was. Also seem that automat was on drugs writing that, or maybe the guy speaking in the lost video was ?
The vid would probably been more “fun”
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby GrahamB on Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:25 pm

Listening to people talk endlessly about qi is also a near enemy of jin. 8-)
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby origami_itto on Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:10 am

So the short version is the things you do in training to condition the body are different than what you do to apply the art.
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby windwalker on Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:14 am

origami_itto wrote:So the short version is the things you do in training to condition the body are different than what you do to apply the art.


:)

As mentioned his practiced based on the verbiage, seems like a little different understanding then mine and others I know or knew, reflected in my own work..

Empirical based taiji practice theory and usage
Reflecting the teachings of Master Zhang Youngliang,
and other noted masters of taiji.

We also have sets of body conditioning practice, designed for some of the things, he mentioned in the clip..

In some cases before some things can be practice the conditioning exercises alone took about three years,
although it's not part of my practice or something I actively pursue.


One can not argue with the results of his practice, the same results achieved by other noted practitioners using the same theories..

The recent thread on speed in practice
also reflective of our practice in that it is slow, the natural course of the mind leading the body movements, keeping within the framework of six harmonies, three gates...
After awhile as it deepens it becomes even slower to outside observer's not the ones in the practice.

Wouldn't call it meditative, more like an unfocused awareness observing....the same awareness and conditioning used in testing and usage...
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby wayne hansen on Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:05 am

Fast or slow
Meditation or not
It is more important how you move
How you follow the principles
Don't put power into the form let it naturally arise from the form
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby everything on Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:34 am

Trick wrote:Talk about boring - that transcript was. Also seem that automat was on drugs writing that, or maybe the guy speaking in the lost video was ?
The vid would probably been more “fun”


the youtube realtime transcription is probably a little off. discussing the video would probably be more "entertaining" but usually just derails to ad hominem attacks on the teacher, sidebar stories, etc... the usual fun stuff ;D
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Re: nei jin video transcript

Postby everything on Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:23 pm

I think the question that arises is if the power is not in the stretch or in the "pressure", a bunch of tension based "wind up", then how do you avoid the "near enemy" when it always feels powerful.
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