Aikido Sankyo Hook Punch Defense

[GrahamB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NitLZwRr5Ok



Interesting technique, but what do you think? Could you ever do this in real life without the co-operation of your partner?

[jpaton]

that wasn't really a hook and the app seems overly complex. i think good punch to the nose would be quicker and easier.

[Areios]

don't think that this will ever gonna happen. maybe with another setup.

[Dmitri]

It seems to me that if the attacker isn't just standing there in an over-committed anticipation of the upcoming demo counter, he might have the defender's back at right about this point:



All he would need to do is drop the left elbow/send it foward a bit, and turn to his left (step forward with his right foot) to "match" defender's hips. And give him a hug from behind.

Also, a one-hand-to-one-hand grab like this might not work very well against someone who's noticeably stronger than you.

Seems like there are several options from that position (the block he does at the beginning) that are better than what is shown.

[GrahamB]

What if it was modified, so that while doing the "blending" bit the Tori punched him with his left hand?

[Dmitri]

I would shoulder-bump/headbutt rather than punch, in that particular case. But I'm not doing Aikido so that doesn't apply.

I like one thing for sure, -- that he moves out of the way of the punch at a forward angle (and to his left.)

[GrahamB]

The whole 'going under the arm' thing is the problematic bit for me. Like you say, can't see it working without walking into a nice rear choke. I do like the locking bit and take down at the end though. But how he gets there.... ?

[Dmitri]

That's true for so many demos... Almost 100% of them. They focus on "the technique" whereas IMHO the proper engagement, the "how he gets there", is the most crucial and difficult part.

[GrahamB]

Interesting to compare to push hands - where the focus is mainly on "how you get there" and usually zero on the "technique".

[Dmitri]

Good point. Enter JW with "where's the finishing move?!"

[Josealb]

I think in a live setting, with a guy itching to defend himself, right before he goes under (Dmitri's pic), the attacker would either lower his left elbow and back up, or lower his left elbow and grab his back collar with his other hand, or hit him, or something.

I have a few pals that do Aikido. Ive spoken about push hands with one of them, and he said its a bit of the same thing as his technique training...you dont use it like that in real life. You just learn where the leverage is, yours and the uke's, and learn how it works. Of course, i never ask them if they try to train the real ones...i know the answer.

[Dmitri]

or something

Exactly. He would move; it almost doesn't matter where, but he would move, and that would change the relationship between them. If it's in the wrong direction, it would make the technique easier, sure. But if it's in the right direction, then...

Any "application" that is not taking into account that movement/change, is not a reliable one IMHO.

[Wanderingdragon]

Why not just blaze his ass while you all up in his front door, real short distance from right hand to his face ,throat, chest , stomach,groin , pretty much anywhere you want to go

[WVMark]

Without going into a whole lot of details, how about one small change to the technique.

At 0:14 seconds, the guy talks about giving a little shot to the attacker's arm. I'd change that. Instead of giving the shot to the arm, which brings the attacker down and forward a bit and makes going under the arm a lot harder than it should be ... I'd use my left elbow as a strike into the attacker's short rib as I'm going under.

That's if I chose to go under, which I probably wouldn't do in the first place. Nor would I back out and turn my body that way on the initial start of the technique. Yuck.

[Wanderingdragon]

Why not just blaze his ass while you all up in his front door, real short distance from right hand to his face ,throat, chest , stomach,groin , pretty much anywhere you want to go