Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby fuga on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:59 pm

A training partner was trying to take my back tonight and was nearly there so I grabbed his gi above my shoulders, did a backwards roll into N/S, and then arm barred him.

Later he accused me of being a ninja.

Heheh.

Of course, the rest of night I was squashed to the mat like a bug.

So it goes.
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby grzegorz on Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:07 pm

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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby GrahamB on Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:01 am

fuga wrote:A training partner was trying to take my back tonight and was nearly there so I grabbed his gi above my shoulders, did a backwards roll into N/S, and then arm barred him.

Later he accused me of being a ninja.

Heheh.

Of course, the rest of night I was squashed to the mat like a bug.

So it goes.


That's cool ;D

My coach was giving a private lesson to a new guy on Sunday, and because I was around he got me to do the rolling bit of the lesson with him. The guy was a beast, very, very strong, but also a full-on white belt spaz. No technique just explosive muscle for everything. At some point in the roll I feel my knee tweak at the wrong angle. Finished the roll no problem, but when I stood up after I could tell I'd sprained something in my leg. Limped around yesterday- going down stairs was agony - but did a lot of Tai Chi in the morning and evening - and damn, today, it's 95% better! I thought it would take 2 weeks or something. Tai Chi is the ultimate jiujitsu injury recovery tool! Who knew! ;D

Now I can train tonight and re-injure it. Hurrah!
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby Dmitri on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:48 am

Ya should have tapped. You only got two knee joints...
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby GrahamB on Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:50 am

Dmitri wrote:Ya should have tapped. You only got two knee joints...


There was nothing to tap to! I think I was passing his guard, my leg went to a funny angle for a split second, felt a twinge, then I was passed. If he'd been knee barring me, then yeah, I'd have tapped quick!
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby Dmitri on Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:18 am

Ah, I see. Had those before... scares the crap out of me; what if it gets stuck and the guy moves (quickly) in the "wrong" direction? :-X but yeah, those just can't be helped, part of the deal... As one of the Gracies (I think?) said, "we're not baking cookies here" :)
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby fuga on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:09 am

What do you mean we're not baking cookies here? Oh shit, no wonder everyone shakes their heads when I walk in with chocolate chips every night.
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby Taste of Death on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Dmitri wrote:Ah, I see. Had those before... scares the crap out of me; what if it gets stuck and the guy moves (quickly) in the "wrong" direction? :-X but yeah, those just can't be helped, part of the deal... As one of the Gracies (I think?) said, "we're not baking cookies here" :)

I hate to be the one to break it to you but you are baking cookies. ;D

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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby GrahamB on Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:00 am

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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby fuga on Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:35 am

Any good videos on butterfly guard concepts?

I'm struggling with making it an aggressive, attacking guard.
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby GrahamB on Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:10 pm

Anything by Marcelo I guess, but following his lead, I think you get better results with combining butterfly, single x and x guard together. It's the use of the 3 together that makes it offensive.

If you're not adverse to spending money the Emily Kwok 'how to beat a bigger stronger grappler' vids are very good at showing how to integrate the 3 - you can get them as apps on iPhone. They're worth it.

Personally I add in collar sleave open guard from Saulo and Xande for scissor sweeps too.i find it integrates really well with the other 3.
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby fuga on Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:38 pm

Thanks. I do like the idea of combining guards and part of the way I am finding my way to the study the butterfly is out of HG.

At this point, I am really wanting to fine tune a couple of sweeps and submissions that I can string together from that position. I will look at Marcelo's strategies to see what I can pick and then run things by my coach.

I guess I am generally just feeling like I am setting up wrong and it is too easy for my training partner to grab a leg and drag it across. My hand fighting might not need to be where it needs to be.

Jiu jitsu: always something to figure out.
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby GrahamB on Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:48 pm

Ipon Seonage taught by a 5th dan judoka at the club last night. Just realised I knew nothing about throwing before! So many little details! Judo blows my mind!
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby GrahamB on Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:59 pm

fuga wrote:Thanks. I do like the idea of combining guards and part of the way I am finding my way to the study the butterfly is out of HG.

At this point, I am really wanting to fine tune a couple of sweeps and submissions that I can string together from that position. I will look at Marcelo's strategies to see what I can pick and then run things by my coach.

I guess I am generally just feeling like I am setting up wrong and it is too easy for my training partner to grab a leg and drag it across. My hand fighting might not need to be where it needs to be.

Jiu jitsu: always something to figure out.


Yeah - always tweaking the game - that's what keeps my interest I think!

I tend to think of butterfly more for sweeping than submitting but I always try to have a hand in the collar to threaten a cross collar choke, I even let them flatten my butterfly to draw them closer for the choke if it feels 'right' to do so.

The threat of a hand in the collar goes a long way to deterring them from grabbing your legs. It's essential.

I hang out in the collar grip, other hand on the mat behind you-style sitting guard a lot waiting for a reaction from them.

Keon Gracie does it a lot too. I've been thinking about this and I think that it's really 'collar grip' that is my personal guard at the moment. I hang out there and move to butterfly or x when I feel like a sweep is on.

Like this:

http://youtu.be/FP-qEk83DdQ

Open guard collar grip also works well with using turtle to reguard:

http://youtu.be/fqXet93lrSo

If they grab your pants:

http://youtu.be/wvYBwxJdcCE

Finally, this last one is the type of guard, but this time adding in the loop choke - I'm trying to get this into my game at the moment, still working on getting the finish with this, so it's a work in progress for me....

http://youtu.be/fYGUeQ0C3LE
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Re: Deep Butterfly Half for Graham & Pete

Postby GrahamB on Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:49 am

I think this one is priceless for small details on setting up butterfly with the collar grip:

http://youtu.be/_3braRnOwFo
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