We will miss you Master David...

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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby JRRodriguezIV on Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:19 am

Hi Wayne, thanks Andy, honestly the only thing I know about Liu Hong Ba Tsu (that's the way we were told to spell it, but I'm aware of the other spellings like Lu Hong Ba Shi or Baji) is very little.

I know it's possibly a form of Long Fist, I also know that Wu Yihui taught it in tandem with Liuhebafa. Master David himself is not very sure about it's history, he really didn't care much about history to begin with. He said that Lu Hong is always associated with LHBF, they are taught together. LH can teach someone to fight in 4 months, but after 3 years the LHBF practitioner can beat the LH practitioner. All of LH's moves are already inside LHBF, so it isn't very essential to teach it to our students, though we were taught it early during our time. It has eight sets, and you have to do it both ways, left side and right side. Fighting with it relies a lot on your eyes, and not sensitivity. We have sort of incorporated a bit of sensitivity with it, and you can see that LH form used with the video of Dylan being thrown.

Master David also said that Lu Hong was the name of the one who invented the style, but that seems contradictory so I don't know if it's accurate. He said it's probably as old as LHBF, or maybe even older, again I haven't found any verification about its age.

Master David's Liu Hong Ba Tsu Quan was extensively given to him by Yin T’ien Hsiung, as he was somewhat a disciple of Yin T’ien Hsiung, which Lau Sam Mok was sort of jealous about, because he was also a disciple of Lau. Yin T’ien Hsiung was the classmate of Chan Yikyan under Wu Yihui, but he concentrated his time primarily on mastering LH.

Master David always called Yin T’ien Hsiung the Lu Hong master. Every time Lau's school (Hong Kong Hwa Yu Xinyi Liuhebafa Association) was challenged, it was either Yin T’ien Hsiung or Master David who would face the challengers. If master David loses the challenge, Yin T’ien Hsiung would win as he was undefeated, again I cannot verify.

I'll share two photos now, the family asked me to fix them for the wake and so I scanned and edited them, and here's the finished copies. Not everyone knew that after Bruce Lee died, Master David was the first choice to double him for the movie Game Of Death, but his immigration papers to the Philippines were set and his flight was scheduled 1 to 2 weeks after shooting would have started, so he rejected the offer. The producers got the 2nd guy to finish the movie. These photos were taken sometime before, during, or after the audition (most probably FOR the audition):

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David Chan 1970's 600dpi 02 EDITED - Hong Kong by JR Rodriguez IV, on Flickr

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David Chan 1970's 600dpi 01 EDITED - Hong Kong by JR Rodriguez IV, on Flickr
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby Strange on Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:03 am

JR, Thanks for sharing.
in the vid, from his moves, i had no wiff of an idea that he was on chemo.
no need to apologise, gets me hot all over when ppl cannot see any skill in plain sight: get educated, get lasik or get both.

yes, i was taught that Lu Hong is the name of the creator. It was a very famous fighting art; i was told by me teacher some ppl put up with learning lhbf just so they could get their hands on LH, back in the day heh heh.

very handsome pics there. you take care brother. peace.
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby neijia_boxer on Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:32 am

wow he does look a lot like Bruce Lee. Sorry to hear for your loss. RIP
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby chud on Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:26 am

Thanks for sharing the pics and also the info about the Liu Hong Ba Tsu style.
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby JRRodriguezIV on Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:49 am

Strange wrote:JR, Thanks for sharing.
in the vid, from his moves, i had no wiff of an idea that he was on chemo.
no need to apologise, gets me hot all over when ppl cannot see any skill in plain sight: get educated, get lasik or get both.

yes, i was taught that Lu Hong is the name of the creator. It was a very famous fighting art; i was told by me teacher some ppl put up with learning lhbf just so they could get their hands on LH, back in the day heh heh.

very handsome pics there. you take care brother. peace.


Nice! You're the first outsider (hehe, everyone are outsiders in my perspective), who confirms something similar that he taught us. It is difficult most of the time to differentiate tall stories from fact. Thanks bro.

Regarding the vids after chemo, now many may understand why I always said he was using only up to 20% of his actual maximum capacity. 8-)
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby JRRodriguezIV on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:07 pm

neijia_boxer wrote:wow he does look a lot like Bruce Lee. Sorry to hear for your loss. RIP


Like many during that era, Bruce was his idol. He said that Bruce would watch their lessons for hours on end in his school, Hong Kong Hwa Yu Xinyi Liuhebafa Association. That started after Bruce was rejected as a LHBF student by Chan Yikyan (also possibly Lau Sam Mok), but then he was allowed to watch the lessons if he wanted to. Again that story is according to Master David's experiences, but I still cannot find any verification on it. Hopefully one day I can meet his best friend who was also his martial brother, and he might confirm it or not. 8-)
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby XinKuzi on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:43 pm

Thanks for sharing (those pictures are great). I'm very sorry for your loss.
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby allen2saint on Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:58 pm

May perpetual light shine on him and may he be joined with all that he loves in the afterlife.
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby transit on Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:18 am



Grandmaster David Chan perfoming Liuhebafa's foundational form.
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby Overlord on Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:34 am

In Baji and certain style of Bagua, there is a description of kungfu level called Hu Bei Xiong Yao ( Tiger back, Bear waist).
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby JRRodriguezIV on Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:28 am

Fantastic, Transit! I didn't know this video existed. Thanks. What year did you shoot this? 8-)
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby suckinlhbf on Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:59 am

Thanks, Transit. Great Performance.
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby Wanderingdragon on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:52 am

Really nice :D seldom have I seen this form done so recognizably, really a comfort to see, ;)
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby wayne hansen on Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:57 pm

transit wrote:

Grandmaster David Chan perfoming Liuhebafa's foundational form.


This is some good lhbf
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Re: We will miss you Master David...

Postby JRRodriguezIV on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:34 pm

wayne hansen wrote:
Grandmaster David Chan perfoming Liuhebafa's foundational form.


This is some good lhbf[/quote]

He was privately tutored by Chan Yik Yan himself for over two years, because Lau couldn't properly teach the fighting applications. The drama master David went through to become Chan's pupil is written in our website. In a nutshell, Chan corrected Master David's form and concentrated on fighting applications, at the end both their forms looked very mirrored when they performed together. 8-)
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