bailewen wrote:windwalker wrote:what he is trying to say is that all the 4 jins are contained in all movements, not just the movements that are called by them...
he is confusing it in his explanation with open & close, empty & full.... yes nice clip
This is how I understood it as well.
At 3:26 he says, "Peng, lu, ji, an....never separate." <---I understand that to meant that they are all used together, all at the same time. ymmv.
At 4:18-4:20'ish he states the idea in pretty precise terms. His hand is lv while his upper body is pend. They are simulatneous. It seems so explicit at that point.
But he also show how he use one movement after one another and how to flow one movement into one other.
I think you two guys interprete the 8 jins totally as qualities instead of movements or techniques. The "jins" are both qualities and actual technicl movements. One must separate the pure techincal aspects from quality aspects.
When he says "Peng, lu, ji, an....never separate." At 2.00 he shows them how one follows after one other and blend the movements into each other. He shows them as techiniques, movements, not as the qualities.
At 4:18 he said "My body is peng, while I do the lü". This is where the confusing part comes in. Now he is speaking about peng as a quality or pengjin, not as the movement or technique he has shown before.
To understand what he is speaking about, we must fully understand that the techniques(peng, lü,ji,an) are not the same as the qualities (pengjin, lüjin, jijin, anjin) which are independent form the actual techniques or postures. Pengjin is not the same as the posture peng or technical peng. He should have said "pengjin" at 4:18 and not peng to make it at least somewhat clearer. But IMO, it's absolutely clear that he is not demonstrating them as jins at 2.00. So sure, it might be confusing for some people not used to these terms.
Adam S wrote:Hmm how can I say this
I dont think the theories have been tested in real situations......
I don't understand what you mean Adam. You don't think that it's possible to make use of peng or lü in a real situation? Do you mean an actual fighting sitation or do you consider a ph comp as "real".
These are basic TJQ concepts that are discussed here. So you mean that TJQ as a martial art does not work in reality?