Somehow, it never works with outsiders. I guess the qi is not developed enough in them. Maybe one day ill be lucky enough to experience this illusive skill that cannot be explained in words, and that somehow Luo Dexiu, Qian Zhaohong, Tim Cartmell, Akuzawa, Dan Harden, Lu Baochun, (insert your favorite Chen or Zhao Bao guy here), are too low level to demonstrate.
I once asked my own teacher about this he said " what would be the point, if he dosent use enough of his energy they wont feel it, if he does by the time they do they would be injured" So he prefers to let tourist be tourist.
I could give many fist hand accounts of people that I know who've reacted pretty much the same way maybe to a lesser degree then the students out of concern by the teacher of injury to them with students he is more free
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having felt this many times. In the beginning, it makes one feel sick, like throwing up. many dont like to be demoed on because of this.
the point is that there are people like myself and others who have first hand experience and work in this area.
in most of the discussions it starts to get down to having to prove something that one knows, for what? what would be the point?
none of us or myself for example are asking the questions or wondering whats what, at most I try to point out inconsistencies in what people write and say.
for example many use words like qi, yi, ect, and then seek to limit something that has yet to be proved by western science to their own understandings or experiences.
its like the often used word "physics" used to some how suggest that what is seen goes against the laws of physics.
a lot of it can be explained through physics,
the title of the thread "Bian Zhiqin got it or not?"
unless one can do some, or felt some of what she shows, how would one know?
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I guess the qi is not developed enough in them
good question
if it follows that what is being moved is what is sometimes called the qi field
then it would mean, that if ones field is deficient the teacher must then use his own qi to energize the others field.
like blowing up a partially deflated balloon
why would they do this on a tourist ? use their own energy?
if ones energy is well developed, the teacher can move this easily