UniTaichi wrote:willywrong wrote:C.J.W. wrote:I've always liked this Australian teacher's interpretation of CMC Taiji via Huang Sheng Shyan's lineage.
Exactly what is this guys lineage as I don't seem to recollect him being one of Huang Sheng Shyan's caucasian students from the late 70s onwards (into the 80s). I have quite a bit of footage of Huang when he visited Sydney in the 80s also of Patrick Kelly and Tony Ward pushing hands at Bondi. I'm curious as to which of these would be his teacher or did he get it (whatever it is he claims he has) from one of Huang's asian students. I pushed hands with James Ting for four years 78 to 82, 3 times a week and in the same four year period I pushed hands five times a week with Wayne Hanson a minimum of two hours per pushing session. James Ting was a student of Huang's son-in-law if I remember correctly. Huang's representative in Sydney at the time was a little bloke called Joseph Mack (quite skilful but tricky). When the modern media wasn't available as back then it was easier for people to demonstrate what really couldn't be done in reality without the compliance of their students. I found the degree of relaxation admirable. But I've always believed and still do that that lineage trains its students to be thrown. I personally teach my students how to avoid what I'm doing, it would not be to their benefit or mine if I was to guide them otherwise. Even seniors need to be challenged within their skill sets. I don't recollect this fella's name being mentioned anywhere round the ridges in those days. Perhaps someone can supply me this guys lineage as I'm curious. Thank you.
Hi Willywrong,
You might have seen the below youtube before but anyway he is in there with the other indoor disciples of GM Huang. Perhaps you can asked around from there. In fact, they(this grouop) have just concluded another yearly forum in Sabah or Sarawak just around 2 mths ago. Most of the top masters are there.
http://youtu.be/epDbJfQz3nA?list=FLzrMr ... HTjtjPjIdQ
The sifu I am learning from presently is also a indoor disciple of GM Huang.
Cheers,
UniTaichi
Thank you for the information but I have to tell you in all sincerity I found it difficult to watch more than a couple of minutes of that clip. As I said this is typical of that lineage that they teach their students how to be thrown. It's really very simple whenever a technique is put in place the students tense up which makes for the spectacular results.
If the students yield at the point of the technique being applied it wouldn't work. This to me really is the wrong way to teach a student. My Grand Master once pushed with GM Huang and tore the sleeve on his jacket if I remember the story well. I think you can find it in the articles on Nigel Sutton's webpage. I'm not saying that these teachers don't have some skill but as far as demonstrating is concerned it's bullshit. Perhaps you could tell me what decade he began training in GM Huang lineage. Once again thank you for your input in regards to my question.
