How Serious Push Hands Training Oughta Be

[daniel pfister]

This has probably been posted before, but I like the seriousness of this training, and the fact that it is suitable for the young. Just think how good these guys could be if they kept working on intricate IMA body mechanics into adulthood.

[nicklinjm]

Really nice, thanks for posting! This is Chen Yougang's school in Wen county, right?

[Dajenarit]

Damn. Thats how you train.

[GrahamB]

Shoes on the mat!!!

[Bao]

This has probably been posted before, but I like the seriousness of this training, and the fact that it is suitable for the young.

Very good practice for sure. What I have understood, in China this is more or less standard competition training.

Just think how good these guys could be if they kept working on intricate IMA body mechanics into adulthood.

Where are the "intricate IMA body mechanics" ?

[neijia_boxer]

Where are the "intricate IMA body mechanics" ?

did someone say mechanics

[liokault]

Really didn't like it.

The hip throw training for example was awful.

I didn't really see much "live" training.

[daniel pfister]

Where are the "intricate IMA body mechanics" ?

Right, hopefully those would come later. At least they'll have a good pool of experieced people that could achieve them.

[Wanderingdragon]

Don't we engage intricate IMA mechanics the moment we wake up and roll out of bed daily ? I've always felt IMA was teaching us what it is that we do naturally and exactly how it works, that we may call upon it with intent, automatically, rather then haphazardly when necessary.

[windwalker]

Don't we engage intricate IMA mechanics the moment we wake up and roll out of bed daily ? I've always felt IMA was teaching us what it is that we do naturally and exactly how it works, that we may call upon it with intent, automatically, rather then haphazardly when necessary.

havent found it to be so, IME most of ones time is spent on re-wiring

Wuyizidi wrote:
Incremental change is already difficult enough, radical change, where we attempt to substitute the natural ability [Tianren] we're born with with entirely new one that is the complete opposite [Ziran], is incredibly difficult.

from another thread

[wayne hansen]

I agree about the hip throw
Good aerobic and strength training but the entry and mechanics are atrocious

[Wanderingdragon]

To unlearn that which we have learned is simply to do that which we know. Ahhh , nobility. Like a cold fortune cookie

[Dajenarit]

Really didn't like it.

The hip throw training for example was awful.

I didn't really see much "live" training.

Yea my spine did wince a bit. But i like the idea behind it.

[bruce]

Don't we engage intricate IMA mechanics the moment we wake up and roll out of bed daily ? I've always felt IMA was teaching us what it is that we do naturally and exactly how it works, that we may call upon it with intent, automatically, rather then haphazardly when necessary.

i have found this idea to be true. i have used an example of the body mechanics used to push a car up a driveway as a natural method most people use regardless of training, culture size etc ... in a average tai chi chuan class ask a beginner to perform the push posture often times people contort their body into all kinds of structurally weak positions that would not support a solid push. ask the same person to help you push your car up the driveway they likely will take a strong position with a good solid root.

many of the positions i have discovered are very natural positions that my body already "knew" but my mind got in the way.
i think "ima mechanics" helps us find our natural way of efficiently using our bodies.

[windwalker]

Don't we engage intricate IMA mechanics the moment we wake up and roll out of bed daily ? I've always felt IMA was teaching us what it is that we do naturally and exactly how it works, that we may call upon it with intent, automatically, rather then haphazardly when necessary.

i have found this idea to be true. i have used an example of the body mechanics used to push a car up a driveway as a natural method most people use regardless of training, culture size etc ... in a average tai chi chuan class ask a beginner to perform the push posture often times people contort their body into all kinds of structurally weak positions that would not support a solid push. ask the same person to help you push your car up the driveway they likely will take a strong position with a good solid root.

many of the positions i have discovered are very natural positions that my body already "knew" but my mind got in the way.
i think "ima mechanics" helps us find our natural way of efficiently using our bodies.

well I suppose it depends on ones practice and what they consider the "intricate IMA mechanics" are used for.
I would not consider pushing a car a good example of IMA "mechanics" in use

probably shouldn't but its the holiday season



what is shown in the OP clips IMO is based on another idea, one that
is far away from what is shown in the clip.
Having said this, it is more applicable to large scale group training
allowing more people to gain the skill needed for the event they compete in.