Do we need to imitate boxing stance in CMA?

[leifeng]

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDA3MzQ0MTM2.html?x&from=y7.2-1-98.3.4-1.14-1-1-3
This has always been a question for me. What do you think?

[windwalker]

what style, or styles of CMA do you practice?
Whats the problem?

[Bao]

Why should it be necessary or even good? What to gain?

Why all these questions around trying to fit TCMA into different sport formats? What's the point?

If we intend to throw someone on the street, do we need to first put on a Gi? If we intend do use ground techniques, should we lay out a clean math first?

Invite a boxer to fight on high poles, invite a BJJ guy to fight on a dirty pavement full of broken glass, invite a Judo guy to fight with a rule set where no throws are allowed. Of course, no protections allowed, no susps, no anything. Also, of course, every kind of attack with the Seven stars are allowed, as head attacks, elbows, breaking bones and putting your fingers into your opponent's eyes.

Why should always TCMA be subject for adjustments and modifications? I just don't understand the logic in this.

Someone here said that turning TCMA into sport is what is Killing traditional Gungfu. So true.

[bruce]

You do not need to.

The engine that powers the stance is what makes it "cma".
Practicing for competition the "boxing" stance may be good but the body method and structure should not deviate from the ideas of your style of cma.

For self defense the "boxing" stance as shown in the linked video will build some attributes but I think more can be had if in practice instead of squaring up and assuming the "boxer" stance like one would do when you are agreeing to fight.

In a self defense situation you are not agreeing to fight you are forced to fight. In practice one person must be the aggressor.
What stance or ready position would you use to keep in line with your arts methods?

[Mr_Wood]

Taking a stance would indicate to the other that you are preparing to engage. Ok for sports but not for real life. It has never been recommended to me to adopt any form of stance in real life situation. There is no stance. You just go.

[liokault]

A stance is a thing that should change and adapt to the emergent circumstances of an evolving situation.

It's not a one size fits all, proscribed thing.

[leifeng]

I guess my confusion is from practicing different styles. In MT/boxing my teachers wanted me to stick to the common boxing stance keeping my hands up close to my head all the time. CMA seems to be more free and the stance as well as the position of the hands seem to change all the time and it seems to work well for the guy in white in that video.

@windwalker: Xinyi and taichi

[Steve James]

How about: do you spar on your toes or your heels?

[windwalker]

I guess my confusion is from practicing different styles. In MT/boxing my teachers wanted me to stick to the common boxing stance keeping my hands up close to my head all the time. CMA seems to be more free and the stance as well as the position of the hands seem to change all the time and it seems to work well for the guy in white in that video.

@windwalker: Xinyi and taichi

I think you will tend to stay confused until you resolve what your trying to do, or wanting to practice.
from what you listed the reasons why and how each approaches foot work is quite different IME.

[johnwang]

Why do you want to use boxing stance for? The boxing system is a "pure punching system". It does not include kicking, locking, and throwing. It doesn't even have "grabbing' intention in it. Have you ever seen any boxer use a "wheeling step" or just a simple "stealing step"? I have not.

IMO, if you train TCMA but you want to fight like a boxer, you probably should just train boxing instead. The TCMA is much more than just a "pure punching system". A TCMA guy doesn't have to fight like a boxer. YOU can fight like an octopus, a rhino, or even a Chinese zombie (with stiff arms) instead.

[yeniseri]

any stance is a good stance! If you get clocked then that is a different matter! Well! laying down stance is still good

[leifeng]

Let's assume that like the video above both sides agree to use boxing rules. Do you think that the way the tongbei guy fights makes sense against a boxer?

[wayne hansen]

When Bruce lees shaolin teacher came to Australia
They asked him how many people could he beat at one time
50
50?
Yes if they are 5 years old
If it's Mohammed Ali that's a different matter
Tong bei v boxing
5 years old or Ali

[leifeng]

Let's assume the boxer and the CMA guy have spent the same amount of time sparring using their styles. So if everything else is equal we are just left with Boxing vs Tongbei(the boxing part).

[yeniseri]

"Boxing" (what is called thus ) has proven itself to be superior on all counts whereas XXCMA does not have that record to date. Outside the ring, as long as one is efficient, then any working stance is as good as the other. I might think.