Pacquiao hitting the mitts

[Dajenarit]

Exactly Chud. He doesn't get it. He needs to just man up and trade some leather for a half an hour and take his 150 mil. check as incentive enough. Win or lose. Honestly the only reason people pay that much to see his controlled sparring matches is to see the possibility of him getting put on his ass. Its like Nascar. They're looking for carnage and barbarism lol.

[Wanderingdragon]

So that's what this forum is about, " Mayweather's scared to fight Pacqiaou "? Not one other person willing to take a stab at how to deal with the speed and accuracy of such precision striking and elusive footwork as demonstrated in the OP, in regards to their own art? It would seem to me that some of the hard training, ring tested, competitive, really " tough " fighters on this forum, the serious rollers, those who know the reality of stepping outside of their comfort zone, would be willing to venture the benifit of their experience.

[Spncr]

some of the hard training, ring tested, competitive, really " tough " fighters on this forum, the serious rollers, those who know the reality of stepping outside of their comfort zone, would be willing to venture the benifit of their experience.

I'm not all that, but I'll have a go and try to

take a stab at how to deal with the speed and accuracy of such precision striking and elusive footwork as demonstrated in the OP

IMHO I don't think talking about techniques is necessarily relevant to theorizing a way to beat Pacquiao (hahaha, one moment) with our own styles of preference. Speed, accuracy, precision and elusiveness are all qualities that should be trained regardless of style (imo you could forget elusiveness, and accuracy and precision for all intents and purposes are kinda the same thing). Personally, I train primarily for power and focus on doing so in a way that I believe benefits my speed and accuracy greatly. In my experience, when I am more powerful than my opponent, I usually don't even have to bother being fast. But if both people are equally matched in power, then of course it becomes a contest of speed and techniques and so on.

To summarize IMO, just train basic qualities that are effective in combat (i.e. power, speed, stamina, etc), using the techniques and philosophy of your chosen style. But in the end, %99 of people can't do it alone, so maybe a simpler way of putting all that would be to find someone great to train you like Freddie Roach!

[Wanderingdragon]

Thanks man , just so you know, I count accuracy as on target, I count precision as timed perfectly and on target. I was also just curious what techniques we thought could work from various styles. How would the bjjer try to get past his skill to get him done , do we think he could evade the kicks of a kick boxer with the footwork, as I noticed maybe there's a way to slow down such hand speed. I think we all study fighting arts, and to see a clip like this only makes, me personally, look to see how I would fight this person. I feel like many have boasted of such experience that it would be easy to see what they would try, whether they think they are on Pacqiaou's level or not. Just like a class at MIT in which the professor suggests as a project, how would one prevent this craft from blowing up or this structure from falling. As it is there are some really tough guys on this forum, I thought we could benefit from their knowledge and expertise. very fighter looks at tape to see what may be plausible and possible in an up coming contest.

[Spncr]

I count accuracy as on target, I count precision as timed perfectly and on target.

Understood, I figured that you would have a good reason for writing both.

How would the bjjer try to get past his skill to get him done , do we think he could evade the kicks of a kick boxer with the footwork, as I noticed maybe there's a way to slow down such hand speed. I think we all study fighting arts, and to see a clip like this only makes, me personally, look to see how I would fight this person.... As it is there are some really tough guys on this forum, I thought we could benefit from their knowledge and expertise.

I too would like to hear others opinions on these things.

[I am...]

I am not about to weigh in on how to stop Pacquiao, he is a world class athlete and every person that has stepped in the ring with him has had a plan to do so. I dont think anyone on this forum is qualified to speak as if they would have a prayer against someone in that type of shape in a format where both know that they are fighting.

Outside of the ring:

Get the jump on them and capitalize on it (John Wang's door guarding methods rings true to me)
Use a knife and have practiced enough to present it under extreme pressure if one finds themselves in trouble and badly outclassed
Situational awareness, know what is going on and don't find yourself in a fair fight, or a fight at all...
Utilize leg kicks on the fighter that has evasive head and torso movement
If you end up in the clinch, having trained to throw or keep things there would pay off. Getting there against a good striker is another whole can of worms though

[Steve James]

I am not about to weigh in on how to stop Pacquiao, he is a world class athlete and every person that has stepped in the ring with him has had a plan to do so. I dont think anyone on this forum is qualified to speak as if they would have a prayer against someone in that type of shape in a format where both know that they are fighting.

[Wanderingdragon]

There is not a weekend warrior alive that can't SEE what the quarterback could have/should have done, or the pitcher, or the point guard and so on. I'm just saying anyone on this forum that can tell us how much we have not challenged ourselves and how much effort they have put in compared to the rest of us, of which and of late I have noticed a few, should have an eye quick enough to speak from such experience, and let us know what they can glean from their knowledgable vantage, from this clip. Forums are for sharing and exchanging.
I was watching the clip and started wondering how good of a striker Pacqiaou while back pedaling, maybe the forward pressure would work on him though your beng would have to be quite mobile, could probably catch him with a step back beng too, since he is mostly aggressive attack striker. Look at it like a corner man. If you look at anyone and just automatically say he'll kick your ass, no matter his class or level of accomplishment, you're probably not a fighter.

[dspyrido]

Every fighter that limits their training to a specializaion will have the same pro & con. Put them in fight under their specialisation & odds are on them. But take it to a broader format and if you can neutralise their specialisation (not necesarily beat them) while applying the broader moves & you will have the edge.

So you dont outbox a boxer - neutralise them, outkick, use other body parts to hit like the head, knees, elbow and/or outgrapple them.

Tactics can vary but should depend on your own strength or weakness. I personally like leg kicking, then if presented an opportunity, shelling, impacting, grabbing and close quarter striking while the arms are pinned.

[Thin Ice]

There is not a weekend warrior alive that can't SEE what the quarterback could have/should have done, or the pitcher, or the point guard and so on.

A chenyu referencing Zhuge Liang comes to mind.

[Trip]

Bob Arum: Deal close on megafight


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUb1xYZ1oYs

[Dajenarit]

[allen2saint]

I am not about to weigh in on how to stop Pacquiao, he is a world class athlete and every person that has stepped in the ring with him has had a plan to do so. I dont think anyone on this forum is qualified to speak as if they would have a prayer against someone in that type of shape in a format where both know that they are fighting.

+1

For sure. He is excellent at his job and its really all he does. He'd split most people in two with the first punch.

[Wanderingdragon]

The thing is, if you're a fighter, if you know how to fight, you just dont to think like that.

[Steve James]

Well, Mayweather's 5'8", 150 lbs. I'm sure anybody here outweighing him by 50 -100 lbs should be able to squash him, no matter what art trained. There are surely a load of heavyweight boxers who could beat him. But, I think the point was that there wasn't anyone here qualified to give FM or MP pointers on boxing strategy. Personally, I think it's more likely that everyone here would have a better chance beating Yang Lu Chan

Anyway, I think that having an opinion on which fighter is better is natural. I think the Seahawks will beat the Patriots with defense. If Brady has a super throwing day, the Pats win. Same thing with FM v MP. Whoever can avoid getting hit will win. Floyd's defense is his forte; Manny's offense is his. Both are super accurate. I read that Amir Khan (who once was Manny's sparring partner) thinks that Floyd would win. I haven't read what Danny Lawrence thinks, but I'm sure that he and Amir both think they can beat FM.