the rum soaked fist: internal martial arts forum

http://youtu.be/CXY5qsHD6d8

I found it today, sorry if it was posted before,
very interesting to compare with today executed versions

Interesting! When I initially started taijiquan, I learnt an alleged "Old Yang" jian which shared similarities with a liuhejian, close to the aforementioned form displayed above.
It would be quite an event to show the transition from that form to the present.

BTW I could be mistaken but I saw somewhere or I was told that in the early years of re-engineering of taijiquan, many of the stalwarts of family styles had to learn wushu and other forms as part of re-education and that could be a display of that re-education programme of that era.

This is exactly how I learned the jian form. I thought it was pretty standard. Isn't it?

i don`t have even remote idea how chen standard looks like.
I learned/ing/ from the female direct Master disciple ,
but
her form looks close to present Master presentation, which is quite different than Chen Bing present form, or above video, for ex.
Depending of the age and mileage form will naturally change "outlook" ,
so
>standard< will vary accordingly , me thinkin`

ps
>outlook< of the form depends mainly from training intentions ,visibly present or hidden there .

That is the usual jian form that everyone in the village lineage learns; this was shot in the 1980s by a Japanese crew in Chenjiagou.

How is this different from today's versions?

i can speak from available videos only, and how i learned -
shortly :
- only chen bing form right now, is as low, as posted above, but less dynamic anyway.


I`m simply feel disappointed the way of the sword around.

have to give a try German long sword competitions

All the weapons forms can be done fast or slow.

oh, well, yes, I know that,
same with hand as the weapon only
hard to explain ,
but
speaki`n standardization :
above is kinda >standard< for me

chen bing is close
http://youtu.be/icxGuADIokQ

this is watered down showtime
http://youtu.be/0WOz1PCMkao

It`s not about the speed , the mind?.

This Gents performance is always looks "the same" for me /in all the way positive meaning / , doesn`t matter slow or fast
http://youtu.be/6XcQmzX64Ys



hmm, or its my impression only.
I judge from video performances only, don`t know the guys personally

Wiesiek:

I am afraid you have lost me.

The "watered down showtime" performance by Chen XW is the exact same form as Chen Bing's. And this should not be surprising: Chen B is the senior student of Chen XW's younger brother.

So, they are all in the same lineage doing the same thing.

You can use MA for personal development or for performance or for fighting. But the root (at least here) is the same.

watered down intention - sounds better ?
again,
it is maybe for my paint trained eye only, but 1st vid. XW is better than 2nd,
and
i put his family master vid. , to show that Bing is closer to 1st XW performance not the 2nd.

my writing is pointless, if you dont`t see difference there.

i like wudang master performance the most , all movements/roots of chen system are there too.
and
anyway
the German Straight Sword meetings, are the only places where u may check - where the sword and you are

By watered down do you mean the small steps and being careful not to step out of the carpet?

It's the weighting of the sword. The sword looks noticeably heavier in the earlier videos. He was more careful about the cutting path.
this is the essential difference between a "dance" and a "martial" performance, the awareness and respect for the weapon's destructive ability.
A good swordsman respects the sword, and optimizes his movements for the sword, instead of forcing the sword unnaturally to his will.