Ba-men wrote:I like the vid... to me it says Fuck Joe Rogan and anyone who thinks like him... Practice Aikido because you like Aikido! WHY? Because in the end the "endeavor" will make you a better person!
No argument there...
Marko wrote:I think it's better to say that this is a side by side comparison of Ueshiba's work with 20 years in between. As far as I understand it, he was very controlling in how he wished to present his art, while not really presenting it how it would be used (quote of his that "in a real situation, Aikido is 90% atemi (striking)" comes to mind).
What I'd love to see is a side by side comparison of Ueshiba and any of the post war masters. I think that would be more telling than comparing Ueshiba with older Ueshiba.
Cheers,
Marko
GrahamB wrote:Well this will annoy/delight people depending on where you make your stand:
Side by side comparison of pre and post war Aikido video:
http://youtu.be/NOd4WmdjbAI
I'll just leave this here...
Ian wrote:GrahamB wrote:Well this will annoy/delight people depending on where you make your stand:
Side by side comparison of pre and post war Aikido video:
http://youtu.be/NOd4WmdjbAI
I'll just leave this here...
Pre or post-war, it doesn't matter...
3:34
4:25
WTF IS THIS SHIT?
Ian wrote:
Pre or post-war, it doesn't matter...
3:34
4:25
WTF IS THIS SHIT?
Ian wrote:GrahamB wrote:Well this will annoy/delight people depending on where you make your stand:
Side by side comparison of pre and post war Aikido video:
http://youtu.be/NOd4WmdjbAI
I'll just leave this here...
Pre or post-war, it doesn't matter...
3:34
4:25
WTF IS THIS SHIT?
Bodywork wrote:I think the "spiritual component" to aikido has been by and large a construct of the westerners who arrived in the early 70's.
It is interesting that you NEVER, hear that stuff from the prewar students of Ueshiba ( when he was actively teaching).
I think many of the *young seekers of the way*.. cough... brought allot of themselves... with them to Japan. The Japanese played off of that for the foreigners.
Thankfully, Chris Li, has been steadfastly retranslating Ueshibas speaches and writings. More and more we see the so-called, spiritual components were deeply rooted in power building methods ( well known and documented from many other sources). These were hardly spiritual when read in context to their original intent. But through the ignorance of the reader they can certainly seem a heady etherial soup.
He himself used those teachings as they were-for a foundation of:
* first building the body
* then creating mind/body awareness
* then spirit driving mind/body
This is straight out of yoga's five elements as well as other Chinese ICMA teachings.
This is why he ran in to the dojo one day with a newly found anatomy book. Enthusiastically telling people: "See! This is what I have been talking about!"
Most of his dokas are direct ripoffs of Chinese classics.
He was hardly as original as many aikido-ka thought- mostly due to their ignorance of the subject he continually pointed to. Rather, he steadfastly revealed he was yet but another academic, pointing to the works of others.
Regarding videos and teachings of modern Aikido-ka, spiritual or other wise? I would be happy to hear one of them accurately talking about what Ueshiba was actually talking about, much less demonstrate his skills -using those references.
Regards
Dan
Rabbit wrote:Bodywork wrote:I think the "spiritual component" to aikido has been by and large a construct of the westerners who arrived in the early 70's.
It is interesting that you NEVER, hear that stuff from the prewar students of Ueshiba ( when he was actively teaching).
I think many of the *young seekers of the way*.. cough... brought allot of themselves... with them to Japan. The Japanese played off of that for the foreigners.
Thankfully, Chris Li, has been steadfastly retranslating Ueshibas speaches and writings. More and more we see the so-called, spiritual components were deeply rooted in power building methods ( well known and documented from many other sources). These were hardly spiritual when read in context to their original intent. But through the ignorance of the reader they can certainly seem a heady etherial soup.
He himself used those teachings as they were-for a foundation of:
* first building the body
* then creating mind/body awareness
* then spirit driving mind/body
This is straight out of yoga's five elements as well as other Chinese ICMA teachings.
This is why he ran in to the dojo one day with a newly found anatomy book. Enthusiastically telling people: "See! This is what I have been talking about!"
Most of his dokas are direct ripoffs of Chinese classics.
He was hardly as original as many aikido-ka thought- mostly due to their ignorance of the subject he continually pointed to. Rather, he steadfastly revealed he was yet but another academic, pointing to the works of others.
Regarding videos and teachings of modern Aikido-ka, spiritual or other wise? I would be happy to hear one of them accurately talking about what Ueshiba was actually talking about, much less demonstrate his skills -using those references.
Regards
Dan
Really?
The students might not have been spiritual or influenced by spirituality but Ueshiba certainly was. Its very well documented and a great source of tension between him and his teacher who was more focused on fighting ability alone
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