Who's the master at the end of this clip?

[wude]

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[Bob]

If you are referring to the performer at the 8:15 mark I also would love to know - Love his flow and flavor and he reminds me of the elderly players I saw at a Jinan tournament in 1998.

[marvin8]

From the description, “The last performer is Master Wang Tong, Li Ziming's student.”

Using Google Fu:
Picture of Wang Tong here: http://www.inhypnotherapy.com/baguazhang.html, http://www.internalintent.com/

Previous Rumsoakedfist post, Liang Style Bagua demonstrations at Li Ziming 100th Year Mem: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15239

[Bob]

Not sure if this is the same Wang Tong (but its a good guess LOL):

From Tom Bisio's site:

http://www.internalartsinternational.co ... g-program/

What Style of Ba Gua do you Teach?

Essentially we teach Liang Zhen Pu Ba Gua Zhang, or “Liang Style” Ba Gua Zhang. NYIA founder Tom Bisio first studied with Vince Black and Zhang Hua Sen, both of whom were disciples of the late, great Li Zi Ming, one of the best known students of Liang Zhen Pu.

Tom is a disciple of Wang Shi Tong. Wang was a disciple of Li Zi Ming, as well as a disciple of the famous Guo Gu Min, the senior school brother of Li Zi Ming. Guo was one of the most famous teachers of Ba Gua in the 20th century in the Beijing area.

Since 2001, Tom Bisio and other instructors at New York Internal Arts have trained with Master Gao Ji Wu and his school brothers, who teach Beijing Gao Family Ba Gua Zhang, which is essentially an off-shoot of Liang Zhen Pu Ba Gua. Gao Ji Wu’s grandfather, Gao Wen Cheng, was a disciple of Liu De Kuan (who purportedly created the 64 Linear Forms) as well as Yin Fu, who created Yin Style Ba Gua. Therefore, there is some Yin Style influence in the lineage. Liu De Kuan and Liang Zhen Pu both taught Guo Ge Min. Gao Ji Wu’s father, Gao Zi Ying, studied with both Gao Wen Chang and Guo Gu Min, as well as many other famous teachers such as Wang Xiang Zhai (Yi Quan and Da Cheng Quan). Gao Ji Wu in turn learned from Gao Zi Ying, and today teaches Beijing Gao Family Ba Gua in Beijing.

In 2011, Tom Bisio and members of New York Internal Arts also began to train with Master Zhao Da Yuan. Master Zhao is one of the original group of disciples who trained under Li Zi Ming, as well as the inheritor of a rare family system of Qin Na (Chin Na).

Therefore, we teach Liang Style Ba Gua Zhang flavored by the above influences, with the main influence coming through Guo Gu Min, who taught Li Zi Ming, Gao Zi Ying, and Wang Shi Tong.

[Hakkesho]

It's Wang Tong a student of Li Ziming and brother of my teacher Li Gongcheng. His shenfa is preety good.
Best
Michael

[wushutiger]

Not sure if this is the same Wang Tong (but its a good guess LOL):

From Tom Bisio's site:

http://www.internalartsinternational.co ... g-program/

What Style of Ba Gua do you Teach?

Essentially we teach Liang Zhen Pu Ba Gua Zhang, or “Liang Style” Ba Gua Zhang. NYIA founder Tom Bisio first studied with Vince Black and Zhang Hua Sen, both of whom were disciples of the late, great Li Zi Ming, one of the best known students of Liang Zhen Pu.

Tom is a disciple of Wang Shi Tong. Wang was a disciple of Li Zi Ming, as well as a disciple of the famous Guo Gu Min, the senior school brother of Li Zi Ming. Guo was one of the most famous teachers of Ba Gua in the 20th century in the Beijing area.

Since 2001, Tom Bisio and other instructors at New York Internal Arts have trained with Master Gao Ji Wu and his school brothers, who teach Beijing Gao Family Ba Gua Zhang, which is essentially an off-shoot of Liang Zhen Pu Ba Gua. Gao Ji Wu’s grandfather, Gao Wen Cheng, was a disciple of Liu De Kuan (who purportedly created the 64 Linear Forms) as well as Yin Fu, who created Yin Style Ba Gua. Therefore, there is some Yin Style influence in the lineage. Liu De Kuan and Liang Zhen Pu both taught Guo Ge Min. Gao Ji Wu’s father, Gao Zi Ying, studied with both Gao Wen Chang and Guo Gu Min, as well as many other famous teachers such as Wang Xiang Zhai (Yi Quan and Da Cheng Quan). Gao Ji Wu in turn learned from Gao Zi Ying, and today teaches Beijing Gao Family Ba Gua in Beijing.

In 2011, Tom Bisio and members of New York Internal Arts also began to train with Master Zhao Da Yuan. Master Zhao is one of the original group of disciples who trained under Li Zi Ming, as well as the inheritor of a rare family system of Qin Na (Chin Na).

Therefore, we teach Liang Style Ba Gua Zhang flavored by the above influences, with the main influence coming through Guo Gu Min, who taught Li Zi Ming, Gao Zi Ying, and Wang Shi Tong.

Wang Tong and Wang Shi Tong are not the same person

[Bob]

Well, it was a good guess LOL

They seem to be all disciples of Li Zi Ming.

Now it is even more intriguing about background of the practitioner in the clip.

[wude]

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[wushutiger]

Wang Tong is my martial uncle, the clip shows members and descendants of my martial family (Liang Style Bagua Zhang from Li Ziming). The girl in the beginning is a blood relative of Li Ziming (grand daughter if I remember correct), not his student.

[wude]

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[Hakkesho]

The girl in the video is Li Ziming's grandaughter. My teacher Li Gongcheng doesn't have (to my knowledge) any videos on youtube, youku.
Not sure if he still teaches right now. He often goes to Russia to teach in Moscow where my gongfu brother lives.
Ma Chuanxu used to teach close to the Beijing zoo in Xizhimen but I heard he had to move close to the exhibition center, still very close to the zoo.
Good luck
Michael

P.S: alternatively you could ask wushutiger to help you get in contact with his master who also teaches Liang bagua and Xingyi quan in Beijing

[marvin8]

I have been looking up your master, but I have not found a video or much info. Would you be willing to show a clip of your master?

A few Li Gongcheng clips here:
Bagua fourth generation Master Li Gongcheng:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIR4lI81QrA

Lee Guncha basic dantsao in eight directions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNFJgc_PCts

Master Li Gongcheng Baguazhang:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAdALDDErRE

From http://www.kuoshu.net/baguazhang.php:
Dong Haichuan Bagua Longxingzhang 董海川 八卦 龙 形 掌, Li Gongcheng 李功成, published in 1999;

Li Gongcheng learned Baguazhang from Li Ziming李子鸣, which in turn had studied with Liang Zhenpu, student of Dong Haichuan. The form that presents in his book (6) is divided into 8 tracks (Tang趟) repeated on the right and left.

You may notice that each route has a name attached to a dragon (Long 龙), because the effectively explains why this form is called Bagua Longxingzhang. The reference to Dong Haichuan would think of a form created by himself and then the sequence Longxing Baguazhang is the oldest. From what I have had the opportunity to read about the history of actually Baguazhang Baguazhang from Dong Haichuan it was very simple compared to the form presented in the book of Li Gongcheng.

Download pdf:
http://uploaded.net/file/l1ixc6dg
Donghaichuan Baguazhang Shengong Mijue
Product Details:
Author(s): Li Gongcheng
Category: Martial Arts
Date: 1993
Pages: 186
Publisher: Beijing Institute of Physical Education Press | 1993 | ISBN: 7810037323 | Chinese | 186 pages | PDF | 151.96 MB

[wushutiger]

You can view Li Gongcheng in the following video from about 1:42:00(after my teachers demo). Wang Tong demo's at 1:21:30 approx as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc7cWvFM-6c

[Bob]

Nice clip of Li Zi Ming in his later age - not sure the clip has been posted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGAtxRHDLjs