balancing yin & yang

[emptycloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rfGR6yXWaM

Bill Gleason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt74harcAus

Rich

[windwalker]

The clips shown seem to me to mix a lot of things put together that can be explained in much simpler ways.
For comparison:

master guo, uses simple physics coupled with examples to illustrate his point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EugsOnYj7nA

he talks about yin-yang balancing it out and connecting the whole body together
this forms a space that extends beyond the body.
He calls this a space or "ball" sphere

The field he refers to is the area that the space covers, which can extend
beyond the bodies physical boundaries.

When the other interacts with the teacher he is
inside or becomes part of the space and so is subject to changes within it.

[willie]

When the Aikido master speaks of higher levels of understanding was just my basic understanding from a decade ago.
It is the interplay of yin and yang creating a third possibility. This apparently is his highest level understanding according to that video.
This is non-internal power, it is anti in nature, it has purpose, but it is not the path. The path looks the same but they are not.
just as I had to be completely re-trained....

[C.J.W.]

As an ex-Aikidoka (it was the first art I studied almost two decades ago), I'd say that 99.9% of Aikido practitioners haven't the faintest idea what IMA is; the .1% of those who do are almost always, without exception, the ones who've cross-trained and compared notes with teachers from other Chinese/Japanese internal systems.

[Ian]

I don't see any convincing movement whatsoever. But there is a lot of talking.

[emptycloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ

[windwalker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ

Morihei Ueshiba (Aikido's founder) performing some "Ki" stuffs, or so. It appears like he litteraly blows his students away, and take control over them at distance, sometimes with, and sometimes without touchin 'em.
For those who know Quero and his version of wa-jutsu, or other to-ate, it sounds similar.

seems kind of similar to what many Chinese masters do..

[willie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ

Morihei Ueshiba (Aikido's founder) performing some "Ki" stuffs, or so. It appears like he litteraly blows his students away, and take control over them at distance, sometimes with, and sometimes without touchin 'em.
For those who know Quero and his version of wa-jutsu, or other to-ate, it sounds similar.

seems kind of similar to what many Chinese masters do..

I would smash him to atom's and take that robe.

[Chris Li]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ

I pretty much hate that demonstration too.

But for context...this was Ueshiba's last public demonstration, at Kagami Biraki in January 1969. The Kagami Biraki demonstrations are generally pretty ceremonial anyway, but in this case he was quite ill - he'd been dying of cancer for the last year and a half and would actually be dead in a few more months. The folks that he's throwing were very protective of him at the time. Still, I thought he got a chance to show some body usage at one point about nine seconds in.

Best,

Chris

[willie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ

I pretty much hate that demonstration too.

Why would you hate the video if it represents his highest ideal? It is very unlikely that a dying man would display that for no reason.

[Chris Li]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCjySZuVDkQ

I pretty much hate that demonstration too.

Why would you hate the video if it represents his highest ideal? It is very unlikely that a dying man would display that for no reason.

I don't know what he was thinking at the time, and whether he intended to display his highest ideal - but some of the folks taking falls told me that they were deliberately tanking for him - I understand why they would, at that point, but I don't think that it makes for much of a demonstration.

Best,

Chris

[willie]

Why would you hate the video if it represents his highest ideal? It is very unlikely that a dying man would display that for no reason.

I don't know what he was thinking at the time, and whether he intended to display his highest ideal - but some of the folks taking falls told me that they were deliberately tanking for him - I understand why they would, at that point, but I don't think that it makes for much of a demonstration.

Best,

Chris

interesting...
yup, as I had said non touch doesn't stop an attacker. I believe it started out as someone just trying to show someone how to not be there and not
get hit by sensing the attack coming and somehow the training was corrupted.
thanks for your reply.

[windwalker]

I don't know what he was thinking at the time, and whether he intended to display his highest ideal - but some of the folks taking falls told me that they were deliberately tanking for him - I understand why they would, at that point, but I don't think that it makes for much of a demonstration.


Chris

Are you saying that this clip that shows something similar is also the same?
the student is "tanking for him"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5qbNkw6EHo

are all clips of Japaneses stylist to be viewed in a certain context while Chinese masters showing the same things
are not? Or is there really something going there.

I would vote that there is really something going on there but that's just me

[Chris Li]

I don't know what he was thinking at the time, and whether he intended to display his highest ideal - but some of the folks taking falls told me that they were deliberately tanking for him - I understand why they would, at that point, but I don't think that it makes for much of a demonstration.


Chris

Are you saying that this clip that shows something similar is also the same?
the student is "tanking for him"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5qbNkw6EHo

are all clips of Japaneses stylist to be viewed in a certain context while Chinese masters showing the same things
are not? Or is there really something going there.

I would vote for that there is really something going on there but thats just me

Deliberately holding back because someone is sick and dying and participating in a demonstration of principle In a set situation are two completely different things, IMO.

Best,

Chris

[windwalker]

While I respect your view point
its not one I would agree with...for both clips..
out of respect for both teachers its not something I care to pursue.

I do hope in the future when clips of Chinese masters are shown they
are accorded the same considerations.