Tai Chi Applications - Fighting Moves - Easy To learn

[marvin8]

Published on Aug 13, 2016
A Great Demo Of Some Tai Chi Chen Applications For Fighting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6hn4ku9qZI

[Wanderingdragon]

The difference between form and function, is knowing how to employ the principles realistically. Not really easy to learn Nice clip.

[willie]

Nice Clip Marvin, good stuff!

[daniel pfister]

Nice Clip Marvin, good stuff!

Reports of Willie's departure . . . have been greatly exaggerated.

[Itten]

Employing the principles is easy if you are in the right place at the right time. These kind of demo clips depend upon compliance and frozen moments where the crash test dummy waits for whatever is coming, either frozen in fear, stupidity, or just being a good demo model. In the first 30 seconds the teacher sets himself up for a head butt and then just manages to deflect it from someone who is not even trying to act offensively.
The problem with all demos, tai chi, aikido, wushu , etc. is that is is bridging and entering upon an experienced fighter that is most difficult not executing a technique. So yes, easy to learn but hard to do. Yi married to correct Shen fa is the most important thing, all the rest in any art is just tricks of the trade.
Alec

[Wanderingdragon]

I think you must know the principles employed to recognize them in play. Done with true intent the teacher would cause whiplash easily before getting head butted.

[I am...]

The problem with all demos, tai chi, aikido, wushu , etc. is that is is bridging and entering upon an experienced fighter that is most difficult not executing a technique. So yes, easy to learn but hard to do. Yi married to correct Shen fa is the most important thing, all the rest in any art is just tricks of the trade.
Alec

Very well said and something I find many CMA practitioners either have not or choose not to consider.

[windwalker]

Its not "chen"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2b8PGMvSVQ

[willie]

[quote="windwalker"]Its not "chen"


That video is Chen application's. Some of those are almost the same as ours.
The title needs addressing though.
The word Application means "How to use it".
Fighting moves, Yes. Easy to learn? no.
In fact, There is more information transferred in a single touch, Then can be possibly explained.

[windwalker]

Some have commented on what was shown as application, others
have commented on transition to usage...

The clip shows a view point,
from a teacher who had to modify its use his "taiji" practice to fit
into a ring environment...

I mentioned its not "chen" only to highlight that it was not, as you've
mentioned I'm sure there is a lot of carry over between taiji styles
in thought and usage.

In the clip the teacher or the way the clip was put together
shows comparative practices and real time usage in a ring environment.

[Taijikid]

I would not say its easy to learn. Just compare this with the thread on Mo Ling, you will see what I meant on this and that thread.

What he said in the clip are quite important. So if you do not understand Chinese, try to find someone to translate them to you.

[C.J.W.]

Published on Aug 13, 2016
A Great Demo Of Some Tai Chi Chen Applications For Fighting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6hn4ku9qZI

He is one of Feng Zhiqiang's senior students and also well-versed in Baji, which may explain why his applications carry a different sort of flavor.

[Bao]

Yi married to correct Shen fa is the most important thing, all the rest in any art is just tricks of the trade.

What I personally liked with the clip is not the techniques per se. All of them are rather basic. But he performs them very well, controlled and he does indeed has a tai chi shenfa.

I would not say its easy to learn. Just compare this with the thread on Mo Ling, you will see what I meant on this and that thread.

I won't search for other posts, so I don't really understand what you mean. But this guy has a good Tai Chi shenfa and use it very well. I can't see very much of that from the other dude you mentioned.

What he said in the clip are quite important. So if you do not understand Chinese, try to find someone to translate them to you.

He seems to have a deep understanding of tai chi principles. A joy to watch and listen to him teaching.

I mentioned its not "chen" only to highlight that it was not, as you've
mentioned I'm sure there is a lot of carry over between taiji styles in thought and usage.

Not Chen... I would take that as a compliment.
No, I mean that he has gone beyond "style". That's a good thing.

[marvin8]

Employing the principles is easy if you are in the right place at the right time. These kind of demo clips depend upon compliance and frozen moments where the crash test dummy waits for whatever is coming, either frozen in fear, stupidity, or just being a good demo model. In the first 30 seconds the teacher sets himself up for a head butt and then just manages to deflect it from someone who is not even trying to act offensively.

I don’t understand the OP video language. So, I can only say which couple universal fighting principles came to mind, while watching. These principles work in standup and grappling. Hopefully, someone can elaborate on the tai chi principles shown in the OP video.

Neil Adams is a two time Olympic silver medalist and commentator for Rio Judo Olympics and World Championships. During the recent Rio Olympics, Neil commented when judo players were using action/reaction and change of direction.

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[daniel pfister]

Thanks for posting the Judo videos. Essentially that is Taiji plus jackets and minus root. Cool throws generally happen less in TJQ because of those factors and also because many don't want to practice with throws allowed. On the other hand it focuses the skill of peng which is basically to neutralize and unbalance someone without having a grip.